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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 261 of 261"Character consistency" as the season's theme. Now there's an idea whose time has come.
Hey, I started a new page. It doesn't take much to get me excited.
I agree with Velandra, Zagi and Theresa.
Character consistency is so important and overlooked. I wish Jeff Davis was still around in some capacity because he created most of the characters and he probably had some idea of who he wanted them to be and where he wanted to take them. In the first season, Hotch was actually in a good mood in many of the episodes and he smiled and joked around. Granted, his issues with his wife and son took a toll on him but sometimes its like his character just became very serious all of a sudden.
Also sometimes it feels like the writers are tailoring the characters to the actors when it should be the actors playing to the characters and actually doing some challenging acting. The most range has been from Thomas GIbson.
EMily stared out as a borderline asskisser people pleaser. She's kinda quirky but she can be annoying and at times be the typical token female character in a really idiotic way. AJ Cook acts like JJ quite well but she only started to develop in the second season once Elle left.
Garcia has been pretty much the same throughout except for a few minor deails like if she's an only child or if she has brothers or not. WTF?
Reid didnt really develop at all this season except for the headache storyline which I really wish hadnt been brought up at all. I fell like this seaon almost ruined the show. It should have been the season where things were expanding and growing but...stupid Bernero.
I gotta say though that it seems like Erica Messer is going to take the show in a bit of a different direction and I hope that direction involves consistency in every facet.
I`m not too sure if Ed Benero is responsible for most of what went wrong with season 6. I also personally don`t think everything was wrong with season 6. I loved many of the episodes and have just some issues with OOC writing. But Ed Benero left CM early in season 6 to take care of the spin-off and from then on CM was in the hands of Simon Mirren and Erica Messer. So I don`t know if consistency will improve with Erica Messer as showrunner. The first inconsistency is already that Emma was Rossi`s love of his life in season 5 and now suddenly his first ex-wife was the love of his life.
Velandra said...
"Zagi: but couldn't the same be said for Morgans lie? His aunt thinks her daughter has finally gotten justice and now she can rest in peace. His lie has brought her the closure she so obviously needed. Don't you think if she ever found out he lied that it would bring her immeasurable pain and grief? They all lied out of love and while that might not make it right it does make it understandable."
If Morgan`s aunt ever finds out that he lied to her she will probably be hurt. But until then the lie does ease her pain. Hotch and JJ`s lie did not ease pain but brought pain. If they had not lied there would be no grief and pain. The team would miss Emily and be worried about her but they would not grief her because they would know she is alive. The lie was necessary, that is not my point but it still brought pain and Morgan`s lie did not bring pain but took pain away.
The anonymous post above my latest post is also me - Zagi. I must have pressed the wrong button.
Zagi,
maybe you're right but he is the showrunner and he should catch those things or ensure that the writers catch their mistakes. Bernero and Messer and other writers on CMshould aim for the level of great writing that writers like Joss Whedon and Russell T Davies and Alan Ball aim for. There are many great episodes on CM but the lack of consistencly and the OOC writing messes up the canon of the show. Although the show has already surpassed the levels of CSI and Law and Order and pretty much every other crime show there is. But the little things really piss me off and seems like it pisses of many other fans. The little things matter and the writers of CM are kind of screwing up the legacy of the show by not focusing on this stuff. The show is obviously still going to do great but it can do better.
I just saw Redemption again and Rossi did not say that Emma was the love of his life. He said that he would love her all his life. There is a difference between that. He says that he should have married her but things got in the way. If she was the love of his life, those things wouls not have prevented him from marrying and spending his life with her and doing his life. He loved her but it was not an immortal or 'true love'. She obviously moved on and lived her life with a man she fell in love with. Rossi remembered her as the girl and young woman of his young years but did not know her in the latter years. They met once when on cases in New York and talked as old friends do. He loved her as an old friend and knew her in that love, but that does not make her the love of his life.
Idk about any1 else but I am glad to get to meet some1 from Rossi's past. Should be an interesting two episodes. I am also excited to see what they have for us in episode 8 that Garcia plays a big part in. BUT still, I would like to learn more from Hotchner's past. He is the team's leader after all.
If she was the love of his life, those things wouls not have prevented him from marrying and spending his life with her and doing his life.
I disagree. The whole point of that conversation between Rossi and Hotch was Rossi expressing regret over having let the love of his life slip away because he was too obsessed with the job. At the end, when Rossi says to Hotch, "When all this is over what are you going to do to make sure you're not a lonely guy wondering why you let the purest thing in your life get away?" it seems pretty clear that's how Rossi feels about himself and about having missed out on a life with Emma. It was being implied that she was the "one".
It doesn't matter though. This show has had character continuity issues since the beginning. It's nothing new. There is no "canon" because they twist canon to fit whatever episode they're writing today. It's incredibly lazy, but I guess they figure since it's a procedural and not a character driven drama they can get away with it.
I agree w/ sf though he never said "she was the love of my life" in those exact words that was the impression that I got when he spoke of her. Though I'm intrigued by the thought of finding out more about Rossis exs I'm not sure I actually want one to be introduced. I have previously said that I would like them to bring on and ex or 2 or 3 but upon further thought I think it's best left to the imagination w/ them having Rossi throw us acted bit here and there.
Some random thoughts:
For Rossi to call Emma the purest thing in his life certainly gives her more importance than any of his ex wives.
Will Erica Messer restore CM to what it was before? Am waiting to see on that front. She was around all last season. Perhaps EB, while being unable to give of his best to CM because of his focus on the spinoff was still not letting go of any creative reins and others could not give their creative best to it either. Hopefully now she can and wants to give us stories with good plots and better character consistency.
sf81387,
I know you've said there is no canon and I agree that all along there have been inconsistencies but I believe just not as egregious as last season. Maybe I was just not as aware of it as I came to the show late. S6 was the first I watched as they were broadcast. And perhaps it's that the storylines gripped me more in earlier seasons so I was more forgiving of whatever didn't quite fit for any of the team members. Would find it a bit annoying but could get past it. And given that they've created such interesting, strong, quirky characters why would they think we wouldn't notice? The forgiveness only goes so far.
Suspending judgement on the whole Rossi/ex wife thing. Perhaps the "love of his life" line from EM was just hyperbole to talk up the story arc, which is of course it's own annoyance. Depending on how it's written and played it could be entertaining and interesting. Just no more overacting from JM a la "uncle Dave" of S6.
BUT still, I would like to learn more from Hotchner's past. He is the team's leader after all.
I would too. They raised the issue so intriguingly in Season 1 and never addressed it. The background of abuse that was hinted at in NBK would explain pretty much everything about why he does what he does and why he has such a high level of dedication to the job. It's not just that, though. It's always struck me that despite the fact that the team is knee-deep in profilers, they've always found him a little bit unknowable. Other than Rossi, of course, who seems to understand him very well, and thereby hangs another tale, I'm sure.
RMF,
I totally agree with you. What makes a great tv show is exploring every facet in some way and not leaving loose ends. Character development and consistency, overall consistency, great story lines and such. Criminal Minds has potential in spades but then there's the lazy writers. They f**k around with the canon and its annoying. Plus, the fact that the show has performed well almost solely because of word of mouth says something about the show and how its not a typical procedural cop drama. Great shows have a little bit of everything.
Hotch is definietly the most mysterious character, and Rossi. JJ and Emily have both had story lines where you can fill in the details yourself if need be, same with Reid. With Reid, its more about what can be done with him and how to develop him, say maybe dating and changing up his wardrobe a bit more or something. Morgan pretty much knows who he is but isnt quite set. But I do like Morgan-centric episodes. Loved Profiler, profiled and hope that there are episodes like that for everyone. We know why Morgan does what he does and he's the only one there is a concrete answer to. JJ was inspired by Rossi, Emily...not sure why she wants to pursue profiling and would like to know, same with Rossi. Rossi seems to actually have an abundance of stories that can be told about past cases and stuff.
I would like to see CM take a new, revamped direction in the show. More consistency, (hopefully that sinks into the writers heads by now, consistency please:)), more character development, the family moments and bonds, more about their home lives and pasts. I would like to know what everyone studied in university actually. Well, Hotch studied law, so did Morgan, and we know about Reid, but what do Emily, JJ and Rossi hold degrees in?
With Garcia, it was implied in Penelope that she never graduated Caltech but continued to teach herself. Little things matter and help flesh out the characters. And of course, more profiling. More Hotch taking his tie of, and maybe his shirt...
This is random but since prentiss is my favorite character I would like 2 mayb see her move in w/ a BF at the end of the season or get married and adopt Declan.
Poor girl deserves some happiness after dealing w/ Doyle and his dumbass.
Feel free 2 elaborate ppl, merely a suggestion. Lol
The pics at the top of this blog are fiiine! My smile kept widening exponentially till i reached Rossi and Scruffy Hotch, at which point i prayed for a bit of oxygen (sorry for the fangirly comment - couldn't help meself). And that's a different-looking Prentiss with Hotch - she looks younger, softer and very earnest.
Thank you Jill!
I'm so excited for the new season. I really hope Reid gets more screen time. He was completely shafted in S5. It got a bit better in S6 but he was still pretty much ignored. I would love for him to have a good solid storyline with tons of interaction with other team members. His character is so unique and there is still so much to explore. I would also like to see a girl in his life but this would have to be written in carefully. He isn't that confident around women so that would have to be addressed. I would also like to see him in more action scenes, not just back at the station. I think the character has proven he can handle it. I would love for him to be still treated as "the kid" by the team without him looking like a complete weakling that can't even handle an action sequence. He was even involved in those in S1 so there is no reason to not include him in those scenes now. I love the Morgan/Reid bromance as well. Sorry for going on and on about Reid but I really feel like he was neglected in the past 2 seasons.
It is really fun to see the photos from the opening episode. My feelings switch back and forth, I get all excited, like when I see the top of the blog, I'm with you Eleven, and then I rein it in. I'm afraid of getting my hopes too high.
But by now I am definitely (never thought I'd say this) tired of reruns. Depend on ION for my fix and it's stuck in the S5 groove right now.
I disagree that Reid was shafted in Season five. There are many episodes that have him involved greatly in using his knowledge and his hobbies. I feel that he did well in that season. He was in the field often. In season six, he was not seen in the field often but at the station at lot and his intelligence was used much I hope that will be better in season seven.
I agree with the previous anonymous, Reid was often left on the back burner and had little to do during season five and season six.
We also only had one episode truly highlighting him during season five and one during season six (and I didn't even like Corazon, that episode was a big, big letdown for me).
I miss seeing his genius being used more often.
That's what I miss the most about him, seeing the writers making full use of his brilliance regularly and not just once in a long while.
I don't want to see romance for him (there's fanfic and our imagination for that).
Instead, I want the writers to focus on his intellect and on what he brings to the team.
So, yes to plenty of interactions between Reid and his teammates (especially with Hotch, Rossi and Morgan).
on a side note, it would be nice to know for sure if Reid's mother will really appear this season.
Erica Messer said so on her latest chat, but we haven't heard anything "official" about Jane Lynch making an appearance.
I know that it's early to "worry", but I'm being cautious.
We were teased about him having a 'doozy' of a secret during season sixth....Reid ended up with headaches because he was too stressed...wow, what a secret !
Like I said, I'm jut being cautious. I guess I don't want to set myself up for another disappointment here.
If there's one thing you can depend on in CM fandom it's that there's never enough Reid or Hotch or both. I disagree that Ried was undersued in either seasons 5 or 6. Just because a character doesn't have several episodes that are centered around whatever wibbly crisis he or she is currently having doesn't mean the character isn't being used. Reid's an expert on everything and he's used quite a bit to help solve the cases, sometimes almost ridiculously so (see Dr. Reid become a forensic anthroplogist in "The Big Sea" for reference purposes). However, his scenes with Sammy in "Coda" and with the distraught father in "In the Woods" were some of his finer moments last season.
SF - yes, i don't think it's the minutes/episodes spent on a character, though. Was watching Masterpiece yesterday. Rossi/Reid centric. V little Morgan or Hotch - but really funny and effective scenes with Hotch/Todd, Morgan/Todd, Kevin/Garcia/Hotch. I actually like S5, very much so, esp the first half. S6 felt reactionary, hurried, lazy, albeit slick. So didn't really matter how much screen time anyone had - they weren't memorable, or were memorable for the wrong reasons (eg, Corazon - my least fav ep of all times i think).
Was saying on the other thread that they should go a bit light on a few things, imo - pace (not saying turn it into french new wave cinema), incidental music (too damned loud), makeup, light....
Masterpiece is marvellous - so full of interesting dialogue/body language, rather than the gratuitous violence of the 13th step or the Bond meets little mermaid of 'out of the light' (or was it 'into the light'?). I love Hotch and the scene was fun but my point is that these cookies are not going to make up for weak writing for too long.
Shall we pray for good writing till three more negotiation dramas commence?
I don't think it's a problem of "character centric episodes".
The writers showcased Reid's intellect more in earlier seasons (without the episode being a Reid centric one) and that was my favorite part of the show.
In most episodes of season six (and season five too) a casual viewer who didn't know the characters would have been unable to guess that Reid is a genius, and that's saying something.
They gave him some moments here and there in some episodes, but he mostly had filler lines most of the time.
And the only Reid centric episode of season six was so disappointing ...as was his secret. At least I totally loved 'The Uncanny Valley' in season five.
You mentioned "Memoriam", a Rossi episode from season 4. It's one of my favorite if only for the Reid moments in it.
I want the show to go back to season 1 to 4, they were my favorite seasons.
And yes I want the writers to showcase Reid's genius more and to make him interact with his teammates more (I love his interactions with Hotch and Rossi).
I also hope we'll really get to see some scenes with Diana Reid.
Beauty or in this case marvelous episodes are in the eye of the beholder apparently because I'm really not a big fan of "Masterpiece" and I typically rate "Memoriam" as the worst episode of CM ever (well that was before Season 6 occured).
I never claimed that Seasons 5 and 6 were brilliant, only that there was no shortage of Reid in them. None of the characters were written well in Season 6, but they all had little moments here and there that I enjoyed.
I'm just hoping the focus is back and Season 7 mirrors something closer to Seasons 1 thru 4 instead of Seasons 5 and 6.
I feel like It Takes A Village is going to be similar to 100 format-wise, since it will be non-linear and they are all being questioned. The stills are very exciting and I cant wait to see it. I hope Emily doesn't cut bangs into her hair again. She looks better without them. Personally, I don't want too many Hotch and Emily moments, although that may be because I want Hotch all to myself, hehe, but still. I like Emily but I think she can be a little dramatic and stupid at times. I hope there are character-centric driven, more Rossi, Reid, I think they will focus a bit on JJ this season since she had last season "off".
I have a request though, Hotch with his shirt off:D
Elisabeth,
I think they all had a lot of filler lines, as you say of Reid, in S6, and it felt like any one of them could have said them. Mostly it seemed to be all at the service of the plots with their OTT violence and showcasing the unsub of the week.
A lot of the time the team members were spouting lines that did not reflect who they really were so I was left feeling their absence even when they were on the screen.
@sf81387,
Yes you're right, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
I'm sure I might rate pretty badly some episodes you love.
We all see what we want to see in the end and it's normal to not appreciate the same episodes.
As for Memoriam, I made a mistake : I meant to say 'Masterpiece' (sorry for the confusion). I may be a Reid fan but I didn't like Memoriam either.
For me there was no point to this episode. It didn't endear me to William Reid, and I'm not sure if it was supposed to. I'm sorry but you don't walk out on a ten year old to leave him alone with a mentally unstable mother, endangering both the mother and the son, just because the situation is difficult (and William Reid had options).
Diana couldn't take care of herself let alone her son, she didn't even notice when her son wasn't home at midnight because she had an episode ... and Reid is the one who had to institutionalize her when he was only 18.
And seriously, William Reid left six years after the events surrounding Riley Jenkins took place ? It simply doesn't make sense.
The fact that he lived ten minutes away the whole time make the situation worst.
Moving on, I meant to say that I loved Masterpiece for the Reid bits. That episode was about Rossi but managed to show us Reid's scientific mind at work.
But maybe you don't like that episode either, and it's fine ;) .
I hope that if Jane Lynch makes an appearance in season seven we'll have a good and deep story.
In my opinion, there was a real shortage of Reid in the last two seasons. I remember Oanh Ly (previous writer) saying in a chat (which took place during season five) that all the writers were aware of that and really felt the lack of Reid (but it couldn't be helped at first due to MGG injury).
It's fine if you don't feel that way but I really feel that this last two seasons have been lacking where Reid is concerned, and it's not a simple matter of screen time.
It's how they use that screen time that bothers me.
I want the writers to make an effort to highlight Reid more when they are using him.
The scenes that really put him in a positive light were scarce and few. The rest of the time he wasn't saying much or had filler lines (like I said, if you didn't already know he was a genius it was impossible to tell from his scenes).
The writers were making a real effort to use Reid's off the charts intelligence more regularly during the first four seasons and I simply want to see that back.
@Teresa H.,
Maybe the other characters also had more filler lines than usual this season, you could be right.
In Reid's case it has been two seasons and I miss seeing more of his genius terribly. I just hope that season seven won't be the third season where he's just standing in the background.
No, "Masterpiece" is not one of my favorites. Reid figuring out the fibonacci number thing was interesting enough, but Jason Alexander was pretty horrible and what was up with that hair? Were they trying to distract us and make us point and laugh throughout the entire episode. I found Rossi's attitude and need to prove he's just as smart as Reid (of course nobody is) a bit pathetic, but I think the worst part for me was that I just found the situation to be completely unbelievable. I mean this guy was sure he was going to be able to recruit the BAU and manage to lure 5 members of a 7 member team into his trap? How could he have known only 5 members of the team would go to the house and Rossi figuring all of that out was kind of silly too. So yeah, other than Reid's explanation of the fibonacci numbers, I found the episode to be a bit of bust. Oh, it was fun seeing "Starsky" with Jordan in the beginning too. Oh dear, I've just dated myself haven't I? ; )
This is random but since prentiss is my favorite character I would like 2 mayb see her move in w/ a BF at the end of the season or get married and adopt Declan.
Sergio would like to point out that you are not considering his feelings at all.
I never get tired of re-runs, especially those with Emily and JJ. I love seeing the entire cast together. I could watch those reruns forever!!
I'm just thrilled to have the best group cast around back together again. The characters of Hotch, Rossi, Morgan, Reid, JJ, Prentiss and Garcia endeared themselves to the Criminal Minds fans. And when we lost two, we let the producers of the show know we were not happy, and wouldn't be happy until order was restored. Glad to know they listened. Welcome back AJ and Paget. You were missed. Greatly!
I'm just thrilled to have the best group cast around back together again. The characters of Hotch, Rossi, Morgan, Reid, JJ, Prentiss and Garcia endeared themselves to the Criminal Minds fans. And when we lost two, we let the producers of the show know we were not happy, and wouldn't be happy until order was restored. Glad to know they listened. Welcome back AJ and Paget. You were missed. Greatly!
BTW, not that I'm complaining, but we all know that the character of Spencer Reid is a genious. Is it really necessary that his character still be portrayed wearing the stereo-typical classic nerd sweaters and assorted clothing? Spencer is a genious, yes, but I'd like to seem him dress more up to date, for his age.
sf81387 said...
"This show has had character continuity issues since the beginning. It's nothing new. There is no "canon" because they twist canon to fit whatever episode they're writing today. It's incredibly lazy, but I guess they figure since it's a procedural and not a character driven drama they can get away with it."
It's funny you should mention this because I've never seen CM "canon" written or documented anywhere, but I've often heard it stated as if it is law. I've read some interviews where canon is supposedly mentioned, but I can really never put my hands on what is or is not supposed to be allowed on CM; because as you indicated, the writers seem to change up on a whim.
And after season 6 brought us an inexperienced rookie and the firing of cast, as far as I'm concerned, CM really doesn't abide by any real canon; and probably never really did. I’d rather see them part with mysterious canon than to part with valued cast members any day.
However, if there is something truly documented, can someone please tell me where I can find it. I’m a visual person and like to see/read documentation that supports an argument or discussion; and it’s really frustrating to not be able to read CM’s canon. Thanks
On a different note, IMO Rossi's relationship with Emma was one of that had endured since childhood. It was the purest love because their friendship began when they were young, innocent and “pure.” He probably should have married her; but in reality, the people we love in our childhood, even though it may be intense, are rarely the ones we end up marrying. Occasionally it happens when people reconnect as adults, but that’s on rare occasions.
Rossi and Emma had the opportunity to reconnect in adulthood, but by then, a lot of life had passed. Their love was pure because it was the first, it was genuine and untainted by life and it endured. But it doesn’t mean it was the only love of his life, simply the one that began and ended with no entanglements or bitterness.
And lastly, I too would love to see Emily happy after all she’s been thru, and I think Sergio would be happy if Emily’s happy. LOL
I’d prefer it be with Hotch, but I’m not trying to start a fuss, just express an established opinion. The writers will do what they want to do, period, end of story.
There is a video on YouTube of an interview with Thomas and Joe talking about S7. They both say there is a new energy around. I hope it's true.
When something is established with a character it would be assumed that is canon within that character's storyline. For instance, when JJ left in 6.2, that she left to work for the Pentagon should have been canon, but because the writers needed a reason to bring her in for the Prentiss departure they conveniently had her working for the State Department.
When Prentiss was introduced Hotch had met her when she was just leaving for college. When you consider that Hotch had already graduated college and law school, worked as a federal prosecutor and with S.W.A.T. and was at that point in time working his first assignment with the FBI, it should've been established as canon that Hotch was quite a few years older than Emily. However, a few episodes later it's suggested that Emily graduated high school in 1989, which makes her one year younger than Hotch. So if it wasn't meant to establish that Hotch was quite a bit older than Emily in that first episode then either Emily was a late bloomer and didn't start college until she was 30 or Hotch was some kind of child prodigy. ; )
In one episode Morgan was 10 when his father was killed, in another he was 9. The case that haunted Rossi began as a BAU case that happened on Christmas Eve, then it later becomes a 21 year old case that he only associated with Christmas Eve because the parents bought the ax that was used to cut down the Christmas tree a few months earlier. Then when the case is finally revealed it's the 20th anniversary of the murder it never was a BAU case.
These kind of continuity issues occur throughout the show so no, there is no such thing as canon on Criminal Minds, but because it is a procedural it's not as important as it is in a serialized drama.
There was a guy who worked on LOST whose only job was to keep the show's "bible" and make sure that nothing in the scripts contradicted anything that had been written in earlier episodes and he did a really good job. One of the producers of CM suggested that their show had such a "bible". I don't remember who said it, I only rememeber the reaction to that comment on TWOP. Most of which suggested that the person in charge of the CM bible should be fired. LOL
While I love to point and laugh at the continuity issues with Criminal Minds, I'm not all that bothered by them. I enjoy CM for what it is, which is popcorn entertainment. It's not meant to be intelligent thought provoking television. As for the Rossi and Emma thing. We can love many people throughout our lives, but there is typically only one love who we refer to as the "love of our life" and for Rossi, they seemed to establish in episode 5.03 that person was Emma.
But it's all okay, I'm guessing the majority of the viewing audience doesn't watch the show as obessively as the handful of us who notice these things and will never remember that there was a girl named Emma that Rossi let get away.
Oh and I don't think Emily should adopt Declan. Why would she do that? The boy has been well taken care of by somebody who obviously loves him so why would some woman he barely knew him and who would only associate him with a very bad time in her life adopt him? Stick with the cat Emily.
sf, I always love your posts, particularly how you seem to put most things in perspective. There's something to be said of continuity, but as you demonstrated, CM has never been beholden to continuity or canon. So why would the producers/writers start now.
As far as Rossi and Emma go, I distinctly remember Rossi saying that Emma was the love of the judge's life. He said he (Rossi) met her at 12; and he knew he would love her for the rest of his life. He never slept with Emma and only reconnected in adulthood. She was the one that got away. But I'm not sure that love can nullify his ability to fall in love and have a complete relationship with someone else, as in the case of his first wife. Maybe the first wife was the “love of his life” in terms of the one whom with, he actually made a commitment. Obviously, it wasn't pure and lasting, because they divorced.
I totally agree with you that Emily should not adopt Declan. He is the child of a serial killer, maniac and terrorist. He has a traumatic history and all kinds of problems that Emily would be taking on. Remember he participated in the staging of his own murder. And as you stated, it would be a constant reminder of a very devastating time in her life. And like you stated, Declan already has a guardian who has nurtured and cared for him. Emily doesn't need those headaches. That kind of an arrangement would bring her more problems rather than the happiness she deserves.
just a random question to all you CM fans. Does any1 know how long each of our characters contracts are??
Aaron: don't quote me on this but I think PBs might be up next year JM & MGG are up next year AJs is up in two as is SM & TG ( I think) I'm not sure about KV.
I would not like to see Emily adopt Declan. For the reasons stated by others it would make no sense. It would also be a reminder to us of the "super-spy" storyline which I'm just so happy looks like it's going to be wrapped up in the first episode.
It would be worse than the Morgan/Elle story from last season.
I was so happy when that was cut off at the knees.
Saw a spoiler from TVLine about Reid, seems his past drug use is going to come up. That is one thing I was sorry dropped off the radar.
I really hope that CM comes back in full force with its so-called new energy and all, with more consistency and continuity as well.
Just read AJ's article about how she almost didnt come back. I must say that I always figured that AJ would come back, ever since her guest star in Lauren and the writers only pretneding to kill of Emily. Plus, it was obvious that Rachel Nichls wasnt working out as Ashley Seaver.
But AJ was obviously missing working on CM and wanted to come back either way as long as she was treated fairly.Both she and Paget were steady working actresses before CM but they also worked on a lot of crap as well. CM was the best thing for both of their careers.
I hope the show goes on for a total of ten or more seasons with this cast. This new energy may be revitalizing the show enough to give it the double amount of episodes. Just needs better writing, and more character development.
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SF and sdwally, I love your posts – they are so rational and precise. I tend to get lost in the circularity of my own, mostly nonsensical, arguments. I find your take on CM interesting re continuity, character inconsistency and ‘popcorn entertainment’. Of course there is nothing wrong with popcorn entertainment, but I’ve felt that they didn’t start off promoting CM as such. Somewhere down the line some of our expectations skyrocketed, and I see an underlying tension in the series between realism and entertainment, depravity and ‘morality’. I’m not saying that these are mutually exclusive; just that the tone feels indecisive and uneven too often. For example in ‘damaged’, although there are some powerful scenes and complex emotional responses, the mystery itself felt flat and too pat to me. The resolution was unable, imo, to match the build-up since Rossi’s introduction. If you think about it, the profiling took no longer than 5mins. Although the series is primarily a procedural, many of us go back to the episodes for other things and that’s when the character inconsistencies become clearer and therefore irritants, minor or otherwise. It would be helpful to have someone take care of canon and pull back the writers from making up stories on the fly – but for that they really have to decide what they want Minds to be, whom to cater to and how best to use the talented actors they have. Tough definitely, but I’m greedy.
So I read AJ's interview and Josh Stewart will appear in episode7. I like JJ and Will together, and I sincerely hope that they aren't head towards a split. Rossi's marriages failed, Hotch's marriage failed. Please don't go that route with JJ too! Of course there's nothing to indicate that they're going that way with JJ and Will. But still sometimes I can't help but wonder. Mostly it's just my mind jumping to conclusions.
According to Rick Dunkle we really are going to find out who took care of Sergio while Prentiss was gone.
Rick Dunkle must be a cat owner. You know, there's somebody at home to set his priorities straight.
I love Criminal Minds, really I do, but the writing as good as it should be. The ideas are the stuff of legend at times and the ideas can take a cliche and revitalize it, but the writers need a lesson in consistency in every aspect and be at the same level as, say, writers such as Alan Ball, Russell T. Davies, Joss Whedon, JJ Abrams. Ok JJ Abrams actually bores me and I'm not a huge fan but he is consistent and all these writers weave a fine web of storytelling that remains true to the canon. COme on CM writers, I know you have it in you!
I meant that the writing isn't as good as it should/could be in my first sentence.
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Thrilled the ladies are back. I want to see JJ no longer with Will. He just couldn't handle her lifestyle while he played Mr Mom so he goes back to N.O.. Her mom moves in to care for Henry and JJ and Hotch share a close friendship because of their boys.(nothing should develop betwn them until the show is ready to go off the air)They are close friends that don't recognize their feelings.
As for Prentiss,she comes back kick ass and not able to compartmentalize so easily.The others will be a little p*****d they were kept in the dark but they'll get over it.Maybe a plane scene where they all have a heated arguement that clears the air??
JJ could be their press liason and a profiler. It would be great if they had an episode or two with the focus on JJ and Emily. THERE HAVE TO BE SOME CASES REQUIRING THE FEMALE TOUCH!!!
Where are their mothers? Is JJ ever cranky? Does Prentiss ever get the giggles when she is overtired? Do they and Garcia ever talk about the fellas? Do the fellas talk about the gals? Why haven't the girls given Reid a makeover? Why doesn't he ask for their opinion on dating?What would Garcia think if she had a pregnancy scare? Or Prentiss? Or Morgan?
Why doesn't Morgan try to get Hotch a date?
Why not let the challenge in an episode be the team caught in a natural disaster? Their personal lives need to be more prominent without dominating each episode. Team stuff.
Blech. This isn't supposed to be a show about dating and shipping. It's supposed to be a serious crime drama where psychological profiling is used to catch dangerous serial killers before they kill again. I'd like to see it stay that way.
It's supposed to be a serious crime drama where psychological profiling is used to catch dangerous serial killers before they kill again. I'd like to see it stay that way.
Amen!
Hooray! The first promo is out. : )
There's a link to it on the message board.
I dont want anyone on the show to get together, unless its only one couple which would be natural and that couple should be either Prentiss and Morgan( not Hotch!!!!!!!) or JJ and Reid but with all the foreshadowing about the couples amounting to nothing, I doubt anyone will get together witha team member.
That's the interesting thing about shipping. What seems natural and has been allegedly forshadowed to you doesn't to others. I've never seen any indication that any two people on this show would "naturally" be together in a romantic fashion and I've certainly never seen any forshadowing of something like that occuring.
I agree with sf81387. I think romance and shipping should be left in the world of fanfiction. Let's just get the show back on track through profiling, and by bringing us quality cases and interesting unsubs week in and week out.
I have no problem with the writers introducing a little romance this year, especially since we're going into the 7th season; but there's never been any foreshadowing of a romantic connection between Morgan and Prentiss. CM has made a major effort to establish Morgan & Garcia's relationship as a special one.
If there has been any foreshadowing, clearly it's been between between Hotch and Prentiss thru Nameless Faceless, Outfoxed and Haunted, to name a few.
I don't know where the writers will take the characters in season 7, but I'm excited to be along for the ride, whether there's romance or no romance. I'm keeping an open mind.
sf81837 and Anonymous, agreee with you both. I have never, ever, seen any sort of alleged foreshadowing of a romance between any of the characters. Morgan and Garcia just play off each others flirty nature but to take that down a romantic trail would just be a mess in my view.
No show is perfect but I used to thoroughly enjoy evey aspect of this show. For me, it had the perfect blend of the pyschological drama and crime investigation that go into profiling, while here and there giving us short glimpses into the characters. However, at the forefront always was the psychological and crime drama edge of this show. I am happy that things have gone back to normal cast wise and hope that the writing will also get back on track. Last season was a foggy haze of craziness for me in terms of the writing and execution of the episodes. Above all, the ridiculous cadet turned probationary agent who comes into an elite BAU team plotline. Incidentially, that storyline has been nominated for an online TV award for the "Most Ludicrous Plotline" and I cannot think of a more fitting award to give such a plotline. I'm sorry but I strongly believe that it was ludricrous in that it involved jumping so many pre- established hurdles that the show itself set up. To think about it now gives me a massive headache. That plotline was the icing on a cake that had been starting to go bad, causing a flurry of out of character moments. I pray that that plotline is never explored in any way ever again. I don't care to revisit the cadet turned probationary agent, turned (I suppose)junior agent and the serial killing father who is in prison, blah blah blah.
The team is finally back together and there is ample ground to fashion shows that tap into this wonderful mix of characters, with the focus being on what makes Criminal Minds, Criminal Minds (emphasis on the show title). Had last season's madness promised to take center stage again this season, for sure I would have stopped watching the show but thankfully all of the cast is back in place and I believe there is a real opportunity to sharpen up the writing. Paramount in my view is getting the writing back in shape. Let the shipping and romance stories reign supreme in fan fiction land. I want as others have pointed out quality cases and interesting unsubs week in and week out, this is the backbone, foundation and strength of the show. A little glimpse here and there of the characters lives is okay, but no soap opera romances or really anything that detracts from the profiling.
Does anyone know who is singing the cover of the The Turtles "So Happy Together" in the preview commercial? I watch it over and over and still I can't place the artist!
Whats this about a reid morgan secret relationship?!
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