Friday, February 03, 2012

Spoiler Thread: Snake Eyes


“Snake Eyes” – The BAU tries their luck in Atlantic City when the team is called in to investigate a series of ritualistic casino-related murders. Also, after a spat with her boyfriend, Kevin, Garcia thinks she and Morgan may have gotten a little too friendly with each other, on CRIMINAL MINDS, Wednesday, Feb. 8 (9:00-10:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network.

Talk about this episode in the comment...

Careful in case you haven't watched the episode yet... comments might contain ***SPOILERS***

41 comments:

christyzachman said...

Looking forward to another great episode.

christyzachman said...

I wonder though, how killing can help a person win at gambling?

c~ said...

Can't wait. Saw the promo with Morgan stepping out of the... oh my .. my my my

Seaver said...

I am sure a lot of Garcia/Morgan fans are going to be excited!

Anonymous said...

This whole Morgan and Garcia thing really creeps me out. A drunken woman waking up and not knowing what happened the night before is not cute or amusing. I really love both of these characters and the friendship that they share but this just seems like a pandering trick. I do enjoy seeing a bit of the personal side of the characters but this is just off putting. (I know it will only be a small part of the episode but to me it is totally unnecessary)

Evil Matthew Gubler said...

Not first, awww :-(

Evil Matthew Gubler said...

Not first, aww... :-(

Anonymous said...

What does Morgan say at the end after Garcia asks him "What does a girl do when she has two great guys in her life?"

Thanks!

Angie Call said...

crap what did Derek say at the end, I missed it!!!

HSG said...

Have to say that the show is not even close to how good it used to be. Very sad to see it become just another crime drama.

There is no episode this season, or season 6, that I am interested in seeing again. While the past seasons I can watch over and over, and see new things.

Anonymous said...

@HSG
I totally agree...it's like they've ran out of compelling stories to tell...I mean did we really need to see Derek all glistening and wet....is that what we are doing now to attract viewers...this show used to stand simply on the case of the week and the team comradery...now they feel the need to bring in outside love interests to enhance the characters lives....I'm starting to agree with people that say shows should end after five seasons...go out on top like The Closer.

Annie C said...

Ok, I liked this one. It was well paced and well acted. Yes, a little too much emphasis on the stung casting and not enough of our team, but overall it was a solid episode for me.

The thing with Garcia and Morgan was kinda cute. Fluffy. Not nearly worth all the build up. Maybe if Garcia had had a chance to actually fret about it or something, but the way it was done was just a fluffy bookend to the story, no more.

What I *loved* was Reid the card shark, and what went on between him, Rossi and Prentiss. I knew he must have tried gambling in Vegas at some point, it was really nice to have that curiosity satisfied. Not at all surprised that he was banned, it's not like he could help it. But we never found out how much he won for Rossi, it looked like he was doing quite well there. I can only hope for more of that in the future.

All in all, I think well done.

Nanci said...

Have to agree with HSG, the show has lost something. I think they haven't been able to come back from the debacle of S6. At least they haven't yet - some episodes have been good but the dialogue is almost trite (between the team members) - it's like they all woke up and decided they needed to get to know each other personally - it's not going well.

I'm really disappointed - I loved CM, never missed an episode and again, to agree with another poster, can watch the reruns over and over again - it never lost its spark. Until now....

The story was good - but the whole addition of the 'personal' aspect between team members just isn't working.

Rossi would NEVER walk into a situation that wasn't 'by the book ' he WROTE the book for heaven's sake...! - didn't Hotch tell Reid in Elephant's Memory that if he did that again, (put himself in the way) he'd be fired "you're the smartest kid in the room but you're not the only person in that room"...or something along those lines. I realize that Reid's situation was a little different but the concept was the same - not only would the rest of the team have to rescue the wife and bring down the unsub, they would also have to protect Rossi - was just WAY out of character.

Oh well, enough rant - I still love Criminal Minds but I may have to stick with Seasons 1-5. Bummer.

Criminds said...

Is it just me or writing/storyline is getting worse and worse. I love the show and look forward to it every week, but it's not as interesting anymore...

diane said...

Another great episode. The Morgan/Garcia story not overdone, and the team doing what they do best solving cases. Loving season 7 and the personal side of the characters.

Anonymous said...

what does morgan say at the end of snake eyes

zagi said...

Anonymous said...

what does morgan say at the end of snake eyes

Morgan said "plum sauce". That was how Kevin called Garcia.

HSG said...

Nanci and Anonymous both mention things I've also noticed in the program.

Truly the only reason I tune in now, is in hopes it will all turn around.

So many things are inconsistent with the first 5 seasons of the show.

The whole thing with Morgan and Garcia, she would have known nothing happened. They are like brother and sister. The whole team is like a family, so romance among members, not very likely.

The unsubs are not nearly as sophisticated as they used to be. Therefore not requiring the team to work as hard at solving the crime. Before the jet fumes have cleared, they have it solved. But in between we endure the personal stuff.

Mary O said...

Unlike some others, I'm really enjoying the personal stories and I thought last night was great. I like that the whole team was involved and always love the lighter moments between team members to balance out the heavier crime scenes.

And I don't think Garcia thought Morgan would take advantage of her but that she was so drunk, she may have done something to embarass herself. I've been in that situation myself...lol. I'm just glad they didn't ruin the friendship so we can keep on with the fun banter between the 2. I really hated most of Season 5 when Morgan was acting Unit Chief and all of that was lost. It made for a much darker show without the comic relief between those two.

Can't wait to see the rest of the season!

Pat said...

I am getting really tired of knowing who the unsub is by the promo. And you know if there’s a well known guest star, he/she is going to be the unsub. The unsubs take up so much of the episode that you have to just fit the team in here and there and you never get to care about the victims like you used to. What happened to the days when the BAU team used their profiling skills to figure out who the unsub was for us? We rarely saw the unsub until near the end. We saw what he/she did and felt for the victims and the team told us what was going on in the criminal mind, but we didn’t see them doing their nasty deeds. And now we have the sidekick friend along for the ride, giving us a play by play of the unsub’s motivation. There is a total lack of any mystery to the show these days and the profiles have become really lame. It gets bad when the little exchange between Reid, Rossi, Emily and JJ around the table is the highlight of the episode.


If they wanted to show us Morgan’s fine physique, they could have had him coming out of the shower after a workout or something. The nonsense with Garcia was ridiculous. I think the fans, myself included, wanting to know more about the team has been taken overboard. It's not that I don't enjoy the warm camaraderie between the team members, I do. I wanted to learn about them in the subtle ways of the early days where we got a glimpse, just a glimpse, of them outside the BAU. That was enough. Our imaginations could take us anywhere else we wished to go.

zagi said...

I thought the episode felt rushed. It felt like the team was only there for a few hours while it was a few days.

I loved the Morgan/Garcia scenes. They were cute and I am happy that nothing happened between them because I love their friendship as it is. The Rossi/Reid/team scenes were also funny but too much like the scene where they wanted Rossi to teach Garcia cooking.

The Reid casino scene was a little strange because Reid alerted the unsub with his behavior and so the unsub got away. Rossi going to confront the unsub without his vest on was also OOC.

The biggest let-down for me however was Hotch sending JJ to the house alone while he and Prentiss were just standing around looking bored. JJ could have been used so much better as a media liasion in this (and other) episode(s). The case got a lot of media attention as was shown in the episode but the team did not handle the media at all.

Not one of my favorite episodes this season.

Love the cast and love the characters.

Nanci said...

CM was best, for me, when the lighter moments were few and far between. This is "criminal minds' and that's what the show used to be about. You didn't know the unsub until close to the end, you had a great time trying to figure out who it was as there were/are usually two or three to choose from. It was tense and dark - just like a criminal mind!

This personal "let's be funny with each other" is just too much. It's taken away from the darkness of the show - which is what made this show fantastic and different from the others in the first place. NCIS, CSI, or any of the others have their playful moments but CM didn't - I loved it that way. A little bit went a long way in this series. Seeing them go on vacation (when Gideon was still there) and what each of them did with their time off was just the right amount of 'personal' time for me. I think they've taken the personal aspect a little too far.

Along with the trite dialogue this season and I'm thinking they've gotten 'stuck' - with storylines, direction of each character...etc. It just doesn't seem to make sense anymore. I get tense each new episode just wondering if it's going to be any good or not - I never did that before. It was ALWAYS great!

Just my opinion....

Blimey Limey said...

Nanci, you've saved me a shedload of typing with regard to the personal stuff! ;-))

Less. Is. More. ???

Anonymous said...

Bruce Zimmerman recently did a chat, and this question came up

"Given Morgan's history as a victim of sexual abuse, why did Garcia even think Morgan would take advantage of her when she was so drunk that she didn't remember anything?

BZ: I never really thought that Garcia thought Morgan had taken advantage of her. If anything, Garcia might have been afraid that with too much wine in her she may have given Morgan the wrong message the night before and it was consensual. In the end, it was just meant to be a little bit of fun to lighten the murder and mayhem in the rest of the episode."

Sure, the possibility of a woman's worst nightmare as comic relief? WTH?

HSG said...

Ditto what Nanci wrote. Especially the part about, "get tense each new episode just wondering if it's going to be any good or not - I never did that before. It was ALWAYS great!"

So true, and I think the bar has been lowered significantly, for the shows own standards.

Anonymous said...

@ Nanci

Preach...I've tried to convey exactly what you just said on other boards and have gotten shot down..it seems that there is a core group of fans that want to see the characters happy..they go absouletly giddy at the thought of Hotch having a love life and Morgan and Garcia hooking up and I wonder to myself, did they even watch the first five seasons. Do they not see what a left turn the show has taken since season 5. The darkness and the angst are what attracted me to CM...there was no other police procedural on primetime tv like it and you're right it's now comparable to NCIS...while I love having the team back together again..I never thought I'd say this but this season so far has been worst than season 6 and I was one of the fans who truly disliked the Seaver character.

Biz

Nanci said...

Agree, Biz - and I never thought I'd say anything negative again once they got the team back together and resolved that whole 'Seaver' issue...but this season is really just lacking - in all aspects.

I know what you mean about the fans who want the characters to be happy and see Hotch dating and others hooking up and so forth - this show is NOT about that! It's a crime procedural and that's the way it has always been....!!!

CM was different in that it didn't have (or NEED) 'happy' moments from the main characters. The main characters were the ones going into the 'criminal mind' to catch the unsub. Even Shemar made a statement early on that he didn't want to see the cast go that direction - it just wasn't needed or wanted and I totally agree....

You're right HSG, the bar has been lowered. A true shame....

Anonyous - BZ might have given that definition of what they intended for the Morgan/Garcia scene but I never, for one minute, didn't believe Garcia felt something had happened between them and she didn't remember. I totally believe she thought something happened or she would have been able to look him in the eye - she couldn't even be near him or talk to him..! I think that was a very lame excuse. Maybe they (the writers) thought that, but I never did. That's the impression the scenes gave and that's exactly what I thought. And it was totally inappropriate for this procedural...very out of place and insignificant to the storyline.

OK - I need to take a deep breath....LOL!

Anonymous said...

i think this season is awful.erica got the worest writters they ruin er.they had best writer they let him go

Anonymous said...

Erica said “this season is for the fans!" which fans is she speaking about…the only fans who are happy with the way the show has turned, are the one who want awkward team interactions instead of great profiling. Didn’t CM used to be based on real cases in the FBI??? I find it so hard to believe that this episode was based on reality and the CM writers on this case profile were just awful…..I mean they used Rossi’s money, sent in Reid without back-up, Reid ends up tipping the un-sub off and the un-sub escaped.
To make matters worse Rossi takes off his vest to confront the un-sub …..I mean this elite BAU team just became a group of rank amateurs.
I know, I know I'm still ranting:-(

Biz

Anonymous said...

I really hate to say this but i think Criminal Minds has run it's course. I think it's obvious now that Ed Bernero was the driving force that made the show a success.

The story lines for season 6 and 7 have been beyond ridiculous and i know there was some major changes that happened off set during season 6, but still it should have been about the profiling. To begin with i don't want to know who the unsub is, don't the writers realise the best feeling is the suspense of the unknown and building up the angst, but no we have to know who the killer is in the promo. Finally the whole getting to know the team personally,why now after 6 years the show worked perfectly fine with it being solely about the case, i just don't get it!

I know i have ranted alot and thank you for indulging me but the most annoying thing about season 7 so far is Bellamy Young and shes only been in it for like a few seconds but my god her acting abilities annoy me and i can say that because i've watched her in Dirty Sexy Money. I couldn't even watch the scene in Bittersweet Science without cringing, the whole setup was a complete joke, i mean by all means give Hotch a love interest but surely there are other actresses in Hollywood who would have been better suited for the part!

I think i may have said enough...

Angie Call said...

I don't care what anyone says, I think the show is great and love Erica and the team!

Eleven said...

It was an awful 42mins - i am hanging by a single thread of feeble hope that this is the nadir and that things'd improve. Because if it falls any lower, it's going to go from comical (as this episode was to me) to downright farcical. For the most part, i got the sense that they were a bunch of kids playing "Clue". I've always been a proud fan of CM - but now i cringe too often at how things are going.

We've seen Shemar shirtless - in "Omnivore" - and it didn't feel out of place or tagged on like a pom-pom. It was all-round ridiculous - and all these 'teasers' - well, they would be if they turned out to be something more. But we seem to be getting entire scenes/storylines in these 'teasers' and enough with the big-name unsubs.

Sorry, rant over.

Anonymous said...

Snake Eyes made me wonder: Are we still watching CM, or a parody of CM created by the writers of SNL?

Bohemian Tech Chick said...

I loved the Garcia & Morgan scene. I guess I just enjoy the sight of a gorgeous guy. I loved Reid being the one to go into a high stakes poker game, too. I do wish they had expanded that scene a little more & had Reid looking and thinking to figure out who the unsub was. It was almost instantly that he found the guy.
It does seem like the show isn't as cerebral as it used to be. They often show the unsub at the beginning so we know who it is from the get go, which takes some of the suspense away. I don't think it's bad like some posters do, but I guess we all have different desires. I love getting to see into the character's personal lives. I still love the show and won't miss it. If they could just make the plots more complex that would be the icing on the cake.

Teresa H. said...

I'm with a lot of the posters who are dissatisfied wig the direction the show is taking and like Blimey I'm going to ave myself a " shed load of typing" and not repeat it all. You're all doing a better job than I would articulating the issue. I don't even pull the episodes apart any more to sort out what I liked and disliked. Sometimes I can detach and just watch and enjoy it for what it is, rather fluffy entertainment. This last was very frustrating though. JJ is now a sharp shooter?
On the message board someone said that they had read that future episodes would focus more on the BAU and less on the unsub. Let's see how that plays out. It's what I'd like but these things have a way of turning into " careful what u wish for"

Anonymous said...

All I can say is that this show has what it takes to be great again; the only question is whether it will. The cast is talented and appealing, the premise is still interesting...but the writing is destroying the show. It isn't whether the episodes are character- centric or not; they're just terribly written. The plots stretch far beyond the bounds of credibility, the dialog is flat, with so many recycled themes...ugh! Can they turn it around? Yes! Will they? TBD... So depressing for those of us who truly love CM and perceive it as less than a shadow of its earlier days. It's getting really hard to watch, and instead of looking forward to Wednesdays, I kind of dread them, thinking: can it get yet worse?

Anonymous said...

What a cheap device to have Shemar half nude and covered in oil (supposedly water but who was fooled?) Yes, he has a beautiful body, but that felt like exploitation of him to me. There were scenes in early episodes where he showed his bod, and it was done tastefully and fit with the plot. This felt added in for "shock and awe" value. Reminded me of showing Prentiss with her blouse ripped open to show her full bra, just for Doyle to brand her up near her collarbone. Cheap cheap cheap. Is this to distract from the terrible writing? Not working for me.

HSG said...

I for one am glad we can have this discussion without being told how wrong we are.

My experience on the message board has not be so nice.

Teresa H. said...

As someone who has really loved this show and knows nothing about the reality of writing consistently good episodes, I wonder if it may just be that there's nothing left to say in any interesting or creative way. I wish it could continue but I would almost rather it would end than continue as it has. I say " almost" because I'm still really drawn to the actors and their characters and would miss them if not the stories.

Eleven said...

Me, too, Teresa, me, too. It's like a mammoth bus that is going very fast, and even when the brakes are applied, the bus doesn't come to a stop immediately. I feel these days we're witnessing the screeching and the faltering, but the numbers are still good because many of us cannot yet shake the addiction. I love the characters, but it is getting increasingly difficult to watch an entire episode without cringing at the cheap thrills and lack of intelligence.

Anonymous said...

Obviously we knew the serial killer up front in the beginning of the episode, like most of the episodes recently. I am to tired of seeing that I feel like I know who the killer is, and now I am just waiting for the agents to figure it out. I thought that something would have happened between Morgan and Garcia, because they have been flirting with each other since season 1 and maybe deep down I was wondering if they actually had feelings for each other.

I don't see why Morgan wouldn't want a woman like Garcia she's beautiful, smart, funny and she's a real person everything he should want. I know that the writers aren't going to go there but I just thought that it would be nice if they did.