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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 400 of 679 Newer› Newest»Well, the annoying, lying, untrustworthy Emily will be back. I wonder if the show that they introduce her back on will reflect the hurt and anger the other members of the team should feel about when they learn of her lying and deceitfulness about how she joined the team and her early life. Should be interesting but I won't watch if Hotch isn't there. I watch the show because of him not anyone else. The ladies are nice to watch but to me they are not the reason to watch. I didn't miss Emily at all during the episodes she was not on. I always found her to be rude and superflous in many ways.
Just my thoughts.
Anonymous said:
"Interesting. That Deadline article makes it seem like she was almost forced to come back. That along with her "free will" tweet from yesterday really makes me wonder."
Me too Anonymous. Unlike most people I don't think this is wonderful news at all. It appears to me to not be her choice to come back and I feel very bad for her if it is true. I hope we get to hear from Paget about this and I hope she doesn't have another gag order like she did when all this nonsense first started. I feel really bad for Rachel as well. She's gotten a lot of flack from a lot of people through no fault of her own. Sure I understand her character is not very realistic but CM has not been realistic since the very first episode. Rachel is just an actress wanting to work who had the misfortune of getting a job on a show that has had bad decision making from the network and the producers and poor writing from the writers. I hope she goes on to much better things than CM. I think she really deserves it. After season 7 I hope Paget does as well. I'm really tired of the behind the scenes drama. I hope the new writers bring some excitement and suspense back to the show next season. If it weren't for MGG and JM and the overall cast chemistry I would have stopped watching CM during season 5.
Cathy
I doubt anyone had a gun to Paget's head for her to return. The network had an option to pick her up, which they used, if she didn't want to return she didn't have to. More important, that option was put into place PRIOR to Paget leaving the show, something that would have had to been agreed by the network AND Paget, so the possibility of Paget returning is something that she and the network put into place PRIOR to her leaving CM. No surprises or being forced in that situation.
Well Christy, you just described the same type of feelings that I had to put up with when the Seaver character was on the show. I'm glad that is over!!!!!
Welcome back Paget and AJ!! You ladies rock and were indeed missed by a great many fans!! Let's get Thomas signed, sharpen up the writing, and we're go to go fOr season 7, YEAH!!!!
I am very happy Paget is back. It is a little sad, though, as I would have liked to see her back in comedy. But having her come back and reunite the BAU family is total bliss. :) I am hope hope hoping Thomas gets picked up. I'm sure CBS doesn't want to deal with ticked off fans again.... It may suck for Rachel, but it's not her fault. She got thrown into all of this. But with that, I am very happy JJ and Prentiss will finally be back. :)
Rebecca said:
"I doubt anyone had a gun to Paget's head for her to return. The network had an option to pick her up, which they used, if she didn't want to return she didn't have to. More important, that option was put into place PRIOR to Paget leaving the show, something that would have had to been agreed by the network AND Paget, so the possibility of Paget returning is something that she and the network put into place PRIOR to her leaving CM. No surprises or being forced in that situation."
EXACTLY! Paget isn't some serf that the network commanded back onto the set. These details, the option, were agreed to before she left the show as was the pilot out option.
I saw the news about Paget last night and just about jumped for joy I was so happy. Today however, I am back to reality with the fact that ALL of them are not there yet. I can only hope that yet another train wreck can be avoided and Thomas returns.Why he is not listed in the credits first, I just do not understand the workings of that. Bottom line, he was there first, he should not be listed 'and Thomas Gibson', but that is imho.
Not sure how the two ladies coming back will be explained considering the season ended with budget cuts mentioned at the FBI.Nor how the team will react to Emily's return from the dead and the fact that it was kept from them. Those should make for some good stories,but I don't want our team to be one of betrayal and mistrust.
My biggest issue, I want to see more Reid,and have them FINALLY get back to his headaches and that 'secret'.And please, do not let us go down this whole road of contract negotiation hell when Matthew's turn comes next season.
That would be the deal breaker for ME sticking around. No MGG/Reid, no me.
The ball is in CBS' court now. They are almost there to fixing this whole nightmare, go the distance and give us back our team.The way it was, and it should have never been tampered with in the first place.
CBS,DON'T SCREW THIS UP.
Welcome back Paget and A.J. Great news. Both Matthew and Thomas are still scheduled to be in Monte Carlo on June 5th so I am hoping we hear something about Thomas before then.
@Kasey: I'm glad I'm not the only one who felt reminded of the whole Daniel Jackson/Jonas Quinn fiasco. ;)
Oooooh, bloody marvellous news on a Sunday afternoon!!!
1). Great stuff that Paget's back. There should be some "interesting fallout" next season when Prentiss returns. ;-)
2). Glad to see Seaver's gone (unrealistic character, etc, etc) but feel terrible for RN. It's not her fault she got caught up in the mire that was season 6 and I wish her the all the best for her future career.
3). We just need TG to sign on the dotted line and life will be peachy!
Happy Sunday, folks...
I'm glad that AJ Cook and Paget Brewster are back. I'm still confused over why they ever had to leave the show in the first place. I think it is very unfortunate that Rachel Nichols will have to leave as I was starting to get to like her character. Perhaps she will be invited back from time to time as a guest.
I hope this next season will be chance to work with the characters that are established and develop them more fully, something that was lacking the past season.
Best wishes to you all.
Memoh
Why he is not listed in the credits first, I just do not understand the workings of that. Bottom line, he was there first, he should not be listed 'and Thomas Gibson', but that is imho.
Supposedly being listed at the end with an "and" before your name is a bigger deal than being listed first.
After reading the article more closely it looks like I may have been wrong yesterday about Thomas and Paget having choices. It appears that it is only Thomas who has the choice of returning or not returning. It appears that Paget was contractually bound to come back whether she wanted to or not. Of course she knew that when she signed the contract. She knew she was basically signing away any "free will" when she agreed to the terms, but still...hmm...hopefully she's not unhappy about the situation.
I never really missed JJ and Emily, but I'm glad to have them back. However, them coming back doesn't matter if there is no Hotch next season because I won't be tuning in.
If someone agrees to the terms of a contract before signing it, they know that there is a potential of that contract coming to head. Paget has always said that she's loved working on CM, that she loves the cast and crew. I am sure she is disappointed about her pilot not getting picked up, but being that she has been in the business as long as she has, I am sure she is no stranger to disappointment and by now knows how to dust herself off and keep moving. It is not like she is coming back to a show, cast, characater, and crew that she hates. She loves these people and they love her, as well as her fans love her and can't wait for her to come back season 7.
Somewhere in the back of my mind I knew messing with CM in season 6 will end by bringing everything back the way it was. Fingers crossed for Thomas' return.
I'm extremely happy!
Barbara from Poland
Maybe it's because I didn't start watching CM until season six, but I'm gutted RN is going. I really liked her character and I wanted to see where they'd take her. Which is not to say that I didn't like Emily and JJ, I did, but I caught up with those characters via DVD. I think it makes a difference when you're watching a character develop "live", so to speak.
I didn't even realise how invested I'd become in Seaver until this news. Wow. I really do feel quite flattened by it.
This is it for me. I can no longer support a show that pisses on actresses like this. What they have done to Rachel Nichols in this situation is unforgiveable.
6 cast changes on this show. That is really messed up. I am done with this farce.
"If someone agrees to the terms of a contract before signing it, they know that there is a potential of that contract coming to head. Paget has always said that she's loved working on CM, that she loves the cast and crew. I am sure she is disappointed about her pilot not getting picked up, but being that she has been in the business as long as she has, I am sure she is no stranger to disappointment and by now knows how to dust herself off and keep moving. It is not like she is coming back to a show, cast, characater, and crew that she hates. She loves these people and they love her, as well as her fans love her and can't wait for her to come back season 7."
God, yes Tiffany! People are making it sound like Paget had no damn clue what terms were being set up in her contract prior to signing it. Please, she and her representatives knew that the network had an option for her in there, if she didn't want them to have an option she would have not signed anything and just let her contract lapse. She's been in the industry ling enough to know what she was signing into with the option. She is not coming back to serve some prison sentence. She is coming back to a show that since day one she has shown nothing but love for with people whom I am sure on some level she considers family.
Good God, let's move on from this and just celebrate that Paget Brewtser is coming back!!! Next on the agenda is Thomas Gibson, then please network execs, stay in you air conditioned offices, sign the checks, and leave the cast and show alone!
I know. I'm ashamed. It's funny how one little missing word could have such a devestating effect. MGG is the reason I watch.
Anonymous said...
Acting is a tough industry but I'm sure she will do just fine when she moves on and finds something more suitable.
It's funny how arguments like this never seemed to apply to AJ and PB.
That would be because AJ and PB are perfect fits for the BAU team and RN was not. I think that's obvious in light of the latest developments and from what the majority of hardcore fans are saying.
The CM Producers haven't handled ANY casting change well.They continue to hurt actors.They should be ashamed of themselves!
What they are doing to Rachel is WRONG!
Hope this comes back to haunt them
Good God, let's move on from this and just celebrate that Paget Brewtser is coming back!!!
I'm all for celebrating if PB is also celebrating. : )
Are people really that shocked that Rachel was let go now that Paget is returning? I can't see the show with eight regulars (I'm still holding out hope that Thomas will return next year), because we already complain enough that our favorites don't get enough screen time.
And truthfully it probably wasn't just Paget's return that facilitated Rachel's exit. Sure the character of Ashley had some fans, but the bulk of the comments on fan sites and other sites you can comment on CM had most people still disliking the character after 13 episodes. Even on the final episode, so many commenters did not like the "new girl" and wanted her gone. There was not a groundswell of love for Ashley, which didn't create a huge incentive to keep the character. CBS has a long track record for doing this with new characters that don't mesh well with the audience (e.g. Adam Rodriguez/ Eddie Cibrian CSI:Miami last year). I can name many other shows where new characters were not received well by the audience and were removed at the end of the season.
YES!!! Wonderful news about Paget! (and on top of that it's rare sunny day today! :) )
"I'm all for celebrating if PB is also celebrating. : )"
But what indication is there that she isn't? As was said, I am sure that she is sad that her pilot didn't get picked up, but I doubt being the professional that she is and how long she has been in the business that she is brooding over that loss. In this business, jobs come and jobs go. Some jobs you love more than others and are more disappointed about losing than others, but at the end of the day, you have to pack it up as experience and move on.
In every interview I have ever seen Paget do with regard to CM, she was overjoyed to have been working on the show and was glad for the people that she met (including her boyfriend through one of the other cast mates). The story of how she auditioned for the show is hilarious and what for me showed a woman who was determined to get the part and was very happy to get it. I highly doubt the option being put in her contract was some fluke that she is now regretting. She is coming back to a show that she loves and has always said that she loved.
Her back was up against the wall with all of the network antics and she used that to her advantage by shooting a pilot. The number of pilots that get picked up is extremely low in relation to those that are shot for consideration. This is something being the seasoned professional that Paget is she knows. She has been on other shows before and very smartly covered all of her bases should this pilot not get picked up.
Thankfully, the door remained open for Paget to come back (a door that she made sure would remain open by agreeing to the option). I'm glad that the network also opened the door open for AJ to come back and now they must give Thomas an agreeable contract.
"Are people really that shocked that Rachel was let go now that Paget is returning? I can't see the show with eight regulars (I'm still holding out hope that Thomas will return next year), because we already complain enough that our favorites don't get enough screen time.
And truthfully it probably wasn't just Paget's return that facilitated Rachel's exit. Sure the character of Ashley had some fans, but the bulk of the comments on fan sites and other sites you can comment on CM had most people still disliking the character after 13 episodes. Even on the final episode, so many commenters did not like the "new girl" and wanted her gone. There was not a groundswell of love for Ashley, which didn't create a huge incentive to keep the character. CBS has a long track record for doing this with new characters that don't mesh well with the audience (e.g. Adam Rodriguez/ Eddie Cibrian CSI:Miami last year). I can name many other shows where new characters were not received well by the audience and were removed at the end of the season."
LaShawna, you make very excellent points here.
I think that's obvious in light of the latest developments and from what the majority of hardcore fans are saying.
It's not obvious at all, thanks. A "majority" opinion (debatable anyway given how little CM's ratings actually dropped) is not necessarily a true opinion, or even a worthwhile opinion.
Anonymous, if the ratings remained steady they were due to TG, MGG, JM, KV, and SM. They kept the show afloat with all of the cast changes and lower quality writing. No way does the number of people that may have started tuning into to see RN and/or who liked the Seaver character in any way match the number that the others pulled in, no way. The network should be counting their lucky stars on that!
When are we going to find out about Thomas? This week, next week, end of June.
I'm glad Prentiss is returning, but I have mixed feeling about Nichols' leaving. It just reinforces my opinion that the PTB in the entertainment industry often consider female characters more replaceable/interchangeable than male characters. And they'll use the negative reception angry fans heaped on Seaver to say "no we don't".
I have nothing against legitimate criticism of the character. While Seaver had some interesting background and potential, the writers handled it poorly and put in her unrealistic positions. (ie, as an Academy grad doing her field training with the unit, they should show her learning field work not profiling.) However, when fans want to crucify her for a remark to Reid that, while rude, was no ruder than comments Prentiss has made, and far less rude than several first-season Morgan comments, they are clearly misdirecting their anger at the network executives on her.
On the other hand, Seaver moving on to gain experience with another FBI division would be the most realistic thing done with the character yet.
What do you think network's make decisions around? It is not just ratings, which Sarah rightly pointed to remaining consistent for CM because of TG, KV, MGG, SM and JM. They take a look at what is being said about the show everywhere they can and when there is a red flag like the Seaver character that is something they have to pay attention to so that they can stave off any possible future issues and loss of ratings.
The character LaShawna pointed to was let go after one season precisely because of the reaction to that character being shared anywhere and everywhere that show was discussed. No network is going to ignore that, no network.
Once we know for sure that TG is coming back because he has to come back, it would be fun to have a thread to discuss possible season 7 openers or maybe just show ideas among fans now that the team will be back. I am say will be back because no way can this show truly succeed without all of the pieces together; the Unit Chief Hotch being right up there. Maybe we can discuss that here on this thread of a new one is not started.
I can barely type I am so happy and excited for season 7! We just need positive news on TG to add to the wonderful news about Paget and the earlier wonderful news about AJ. I'm hoping that there will be some writers up to the task for writing for this show. CBS, let's not take too long about TG so that we can all release a little more of the air we are holding in to hear about TG. Some of this air was released with the news about Paget, but we still have one more to go.
Love you Paget!!! So glad you are coming back!!!
Welcome back Paget. I hope Thomas Gibson gets a contract and we will have our family back! I can not wait until next season!
I just hope the writers aren't too quick to smooth over Prentiss's comeback. Yes, we want things back the way they were, but I can't stand it when shows introduce a major issue, then try to cement over it. Beyond the implications of JJ and Hotch lying to the team, what do you think the time away alone has done to Prentiss? Will we see those repercussions? And hey, the next time she wears one of those low-cut blouses, do you think the writers will remember she's supposed to have been branded? Just a concern--I can't stand continuity errors.
YAHOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Unbelievably great news!!! I am so pumped for season 7 now!!! I have faith that CBS will sign TG back soon. CBS, I am putting my faith back in you again, please don't let me and the rest of the fans down by not re-signing TG.
Prentiss coming back certainly does open up a lot of different possibilities. More than ever now, they will have to be a solid writing team in place to handle this and other storylines. This could all go south really fast if the writing is flawed.
Paget, glad your back! Thomas, I know we will be hearing news of your return soon! Maybe Sergio the cat will reappear now that Prentiss is coming back :)
Gubegirl, blessings to you and your family! Hope everyone is having a wonderful and safe weekend so far!
YAHOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
mkburd I can't stand continuity errors.
I hear you. Though unless it's really glaring (like Seaver's rapid expertise), I can usually ignore CEs and lack of realism when actually engulfed in watching the show. It's thinking about it later when they hit me.
Welcome back Paget!!!You were missed....Feel sorry for RN..Wish her best in all future endevours...Hopefully TG's contract will be signed soon..Looking forward to see the whole CM family in Season 7 together again....
Swamini,India.
Call me a biggot i don't care. but i can not support a show that treats their actors like crap. What was that about Rachel staying on the show said by Messer. Guess the network ddn't care about Messer saying that. So wrong and classless of them to just turn it around.
What they are doing to Rachel now is just wrong in every book. These news make me sick, its like they want the actresses to hate each other by doing this. It would have been fine to have all on the show. But no they had to make another classless act to yet another female actress on the show.
My 2 cents
Michael, you are obviously a bigger fan of Rachel Nichols than of CM which is fine, but repeating the same line "classless," which eerily sounds like a few others here, is not going to change the fact that the introduction of that character was a major Achilles heel for the show. The network created a mess that they are racing to clean up. In the process of that clean up, there will be fall out. Rachel Nichols knew what she was getting into when she signed up for this role and unfortunately for her things did not pan out as she had hoped.
You have always stressed your belief of how talented you believe Rachel Nichols is, then I think the best thing to do now is follow her onto the success that you believe she is destined to have. She can use her time on the show to get some other work that will not be tied to something that was ill- fitting and ill- conceived from the start. Your outspoken support for Rachel Nichols is something that you can channel into gaining more support for her as she ventures out into seeking new roles.
Just a thought.
Michael,
If I remember correctly, you had no problems with AJ and Paget being let go. In fact, I believe the words you used were something like "let's embrace the decisions of TPTB". But now since it happend to RN, it's all of a sudden an outrage, unfair, classless, etc. While I do think this whole situation was unfortunate, I can't help but point out your double standard.
I disagree that it would have been fine to have all on the show. 8 characters is just too many to write for and have any decent screentime or story lines for all of them. Hell, they already struggle enough with that now with 6 or 7 characters.
As with AJ and PB, I'm sorry this had to happen to RN. But, it is the nature of the business they are in. That said, I wish none of this had ever happened, starting with AJ and PB being let go.
many use te word classless. Because it is.
Rachel Nichols is a delightful performer given decent material, and it’s a shame that she ended up with this thankless role. The writers should have kept her on and let her define herself while Paget Brewster returned. It’s the whole idea that one woman is an easy replacement for another, regardless of characterization, that got “Criminal Minds” into this trouble in the first place, so even by bringing PB back, the showrunners are proving that they haven’t changed. They are still shortsighted and reductive. Don’t expect improvement.
Disgusting actions by the CM Producers. First they decide to make changes, then don't stand behind their actions--and let the New Girl take all the heat. Then they scramble to bring back the Old Cast--and fire the New Girl...who they NEVER wrote a decent piece of dialogue for after the first episode. They should be very, very ashamed of themselves. And after Erica Messer's "tease" that Rachel would stay, I will NEVER respect or believe another word that comes from her mouth.
RN, I'm sorry your gone but the character just did not work -was like Scrappy doo- so now you can go get a job which will do you justice. Erica has done a good job of putting right what once went wrong, you have two out of three back just get Nina to pull up some charlie money for TG. He seemed so sad in interviews that PB was not coming back (I'm guessing this was becuase they seem like great mates and she would have had him in stitches all day long). Now he can come back to the fam and we can all enjoy the Eyebrows and The glower.
Michael, you missed the whole point of my post to you. Please read it again and seriously consider what I've said. You can be a strong voice of support for Rachel Nichols as she moves onto future roles. I doubt CM is the last stop for her and you can champion her next role(s). Again, just my thought.
Milo, as Rosie said, writing for 8 characters on this type of show would have severely compromised the screen time and storylines of all of the characters. This has been a challenge for the show with 6, 7, with 8 it would have been an utter mess and continuing in what you have described as a thankless role for Rachel Nichols, something that no doubt would have affected the other cast as they too would have to be severely reduced.
I am hoping that the show will focus in on the writing, getting back to the excellent writing that once defined this show with the characters that are suited for the premise of this show, "elite and specialized Unit of the FBI." If anything was learned, I hope it was how important it is to stick to what the show has firmly been based on as far as the type of characters that fit for the way the show has been presented through 5 seasons. This is crucial should there ever come a time down the road when one of the cast members decides it is time to move on. I am eagerly awaiting news on Thomas Gibson that I hope will round out the good news about AJ Cook and Paget Brewster returning, along with Shemar Moore receiving a well deserved salary increase. We shall see.
How awesome to have Prentiss back? I am so glad. Now maybe we can catch that damn Doyle. Gonna be interesting to see how they write this out, since they all thought she was dead(except for hotch and JJ). Maybe even bring Seaver back to help catch him and maybe Doyle kills her b4 he is caught... just an idea lol. Liked her but shes gone now so why not. As far as TG contract goes, from what I have read both he and the CM producers want him back. So lets get it done ABC/CBS.
Derek:
After Erica was kind enough to say those nice things about Rachel, that she considered her part of the family and she wouldn't want her to just disappear, you are gonna throw that in her face by badmouthing her on a public forum and calling her a liar and unworthy of your respect? WOW. just wow.
I have been trying to hold my tongue on this issue but your post has gotten the better of my temper. Yes, the character was ill-concieved. Yes, the character could have been better written. But a GOOD actor can still make an impact, even with bad material.
Tina:
Yes. You are right. No, even better: maybe Paget should have jumped on to Twitter right away and tweeted about having the #BestJobEver, knowing one of her castmates is still in negotiations and the other has lost her job.
I hope that when Seaver is gone her crazy fans will disappear as well.
I hope that when Seaver is gone her crazy fans will disappear as well.
Pot meet Kettle.
Well, add me to the list of Kettle or Pot sf81387 because I am looking forward to that as well. It has happened on both sides, yes, but I'll say this, if I never, ever have to see the words "haters" and whatever other pre-teen language that was used in conjunction to that character I will be one happy camper.
I'm looking forward to AJ and PB coming back. ABC Studios/CBS, I trust have learned from that fiasco and are not going to repeat it in a ten times over way by not coming to terms with TG.
Yolanda, Beatrice, and Gina, thank you for your words. Here's hoping for a fantastically written season 7!
I am OVER THE MOON that Paget is coming back! Absolutely adore her and she does an amazing job as Prentiss! I'm so glad Shemar got a contract because we really need out gorgeous Derek Morgan! I'm really sad to see Seaver go though. I think all Rachel really needed was some more content and she would have grown on a lot of people. I liked her storyline of how it pays of to do your best at everything because you end up getting where you need to. And even though her coming into the BAU having not even graduated from being a cadet is highly unrealistic, it's a really good storyline for people to see because it tells people to do the best you can and to be the best you can be. I'm hoping Hotch comes back too. We really need him as our unit chief. Strauss better not get to him ... or get slightly more human. In fact, if Strauss has to leave, Hotch could totally work as section chief so if the whole contract thing doesn't work out he can still be on CM as a guest star which would be awesome!
People, Erica had something to say and TVGuide has posted it
Erica Messer interview
For me, the news of AJ and Paget coming back are incredible wonderful.
Letting Rachel go, being the lackluster character she had been given, is making her a favor, as she has more than talent enough to bring to life any good character that surely will be offered to her in no time.
All that said, if Thomas is not back... NO HOTCH, NO WATCH
Michael, call me presumptious, I don't care, but I think you just started watching the show after Rachel Nichols joined the cast, and in fact, you were never a fan of Criminal Minds in the first place, but only a fan of Rachel Nichols.
Just my 2 cents
LaShawna I failed to thank you for your words as well. Good insight.
Maria, thank you for posting that link.
I hope Seaver doesn't return in any capacity next season, not even to wrap up her storyline when it can easily be resolved with a simple she has been transferred to a field office. She has already taken up enough of our time, just let her go and concentrate on the other characters, the ones that are loved and people actually tune in to watch week after week.
Yeah baby, Paget is back! Come on TG, bring it home!
Believe what you will Heyya.. I have been a fan of CM from the start of season 2. But yes i am a fan of Rachel been that since her awesome performance in P2 and The Insider.(please watch it) And it breakes my heart to see such a talented actress being treated this way by the fans and the producers/network. In this day and time hate is waste. love and appreciation for each other is the real and right way to go. I do not accept the hate she got she did not deserve that.
And they could still have had her on the show even if Paget came back.
I am just sad and mad about this. Look at mantegna's tweets he clearly is not happy about the way Rachel was treated you can see that in his tweets today, even the make up artist alo expressed this by retweeting this "The CM Producers haven't handled ANY casting change well.They continue to hurt actors.They should be ashamed of themselves!"
clearly this decision has hurt a lot of people in the process. Rachel did not deserve this not at all :-(
To all the Rachel Nichols "lovers":
I do understand that you are really unhappy right now and want to show your support. But even if you love her to death, I mean...C'MON!! Don't you see that this is best for her career? Don't you think that her staying in an extremely bad role that doesn't fit her at all would have hurt her career in the futur?
If I would be a fan of hers, I would show my support by wishing her a really great job in a near futur. I certainly wouldn't blame the rest of the world.
If you have been as fan since season 2 Michael, then you should understand why 8 characters is just not feasible for this show. Also, as Rosie pointed out, you had absolutely no issue with the letting go of AJ and the networks treatment of PB, saying that we should embrace TPTB's decisions in those cases. Well, then it is time for you to take the counsel you dished out to AJ and PB fans and embrace this decision about RN, or was that only good when it applied just to AJ and PB.
You can be a fan of RN and be upset that she will no longer be on the show, but you are turning what has happened to a 15 episode character being let go from a TV show, less than a season, into the worst thing that has ever happened on network TV. If someone had to be let go to keep the writig for the characters in flow, then it only makes sense that a 15 episode character would be the one to go, not to mention the reception that this character seemed to be receiving.
Also, you are misleading in your description of JM's tweet, something that anyone with or without a Twitter account can verify for themeselves. He said that he liked working with her, that she will be missed, and that he has no doubt that she will move onto bigger and better things. Never once did he express any feelings towards what has happened to Rachel, or as you put it, expressed any anger towards the way that she has been treated as you have phrased it. Anyone can check to see if what I am saying is correct for themselves, again, you don't need a Twitter account to look up that tweet from JM.
The way that the character was received, and in the case of some, the way they viewed the actresses acting is just a fact of what has happened this season. To have continued another season like this one with the swirl around that character, imo, would not have been wise. I'm glad that the show is attempting to get some stability back and I hope that this is reflected in the writing as well as the quick contract resolution for TG.
I'm sorry Michael for judging you earlier. And I know it's sad that Rachel Nichols got shabbily treated in the bargain, she didn't deserve it but I think letting her go was the sensible thing to do since the writers wrote her character into a hole. And I do agree with the others above that having eight regulars on the show would just not be feasible. Too many cooks. And if I had to choose I would choose JJ and Emily over Seaver every day of the week. I know people's feelings got hurt and that is on the network's head, but I'm not going to sit here and complain because I remember how heartbroken I was last summer when news broke out AJ was fired, and Paget's episode count reduced, and now to have them back is like a dream come true, so I can't really ask for anything else.
Anonymous said...
I think that's obvious in light of the latest developments and from what the majority of hardcore fans are saying.
It's not obvious at all, thanks. A "majority" opinion (debatable anyway given how little CM's ratings actually dropped) is not necessarily a true opinion, or even a worthwhile opinion.
Perhaps you should look up the word, 'obvious'. Nothing debatable about the opinion of the majority of die hard CM fans when it came to RN. Read up, hardly anyone liked her and we have all been waiting for her to move on. Besides, like another poster wrote, the ratings didn't drop because the majority of the main cast remained. Do you seriously believe CBS would have let her go if she was all that? Ha ha ... not a chance! They let her go because she did not add a darn thing to the show.
Is paget returning for the full season? Or just a reducer number of episodes again?
I sure hope it's for the whole season. I want the perfect season w/ the whole CM family back together to make up for last season. Although I feel sorry for Rachel Nichols I think it was a mistake to bring her on in the first place. Mostly because she wasn't given good material, and could never fill AJ or PB's shoes. But either way I'm stoked their fixing their mistakes from last season.
Anonymous said...
I hope that when Seaver is gone her crazy fans will disappear as well.
Couldn't agree more.
heyya said...
Michael, call me presumptious, I don't care, but I think you just started watching the show after Rachel Nichols joined the cast, and in fact, you were never a fan of Criminal Minds in the first place, but only a fan of Rachel Nichols.
Just my 2 cents
I agree! I got that feeling reading his posts too. Of course he will say it's not true but it sure does come across that way.
Pearlseattle said........
"I do understand that you are really unhappy right now and want to show your support. But even if you love her to death, I mean...C'MON!! Don't you see that this is best for her career? Don't you think that her staying in an extremely bad role that doesn't fit her at all would have hurt her career in the futur?"
This is so very true! Although some may not be able to see it now, this probably is the best thing that could have happened for her career as it opens the door for opportunities where she can step into a good role in a less charged situation. There really is an opportunity for her to settle into better things that are suited for her moving forward in her career. I am sure she will work hard to find that place whether in TV and/or the movies.
In Erica Messer's interview she says:
"Having the band back together is in itself a huge victory and should give everyone a sense of security."
Is it just me or it sounds like she is very confident that Thomas Gibson will be back? Maybe I am just trying to read between the line what I wish for ;)
I’m very happy that Erica Messer is the showrunner; the fact that she loves the characters of CM as much as the fans do has me really excited for season 7; of course that is if Thomas returns as a member of “the band.”
With Paget returning to the series, the secret held by JJ and Hotch that Emily survived, has to be a wonderland of great dramatic storytelling.
Please provide Thomas with the contract he needs to return to this show I love so much in the role of this man I admire.
No Hotch/TG = NO CM/CBS 4 ME!!
Is paget coming back for all of season 7? And please no arc for Seaver. I feel sorry for RN but a simple "she decided 2 transfer to the main field office" will surfice. There's no reason to waist this AWESOME story arc for prentiss returning on Seaver.
Michael said...
"Look at mantegna's tweets he clearly is not happy about the way Rachel was treated you can see that in his tweets today"
Wow, Michael!!! I cannot believe you used Joe Mantegna's name to prove your point!! He never mentioned anything close to that!!
Shame on you!!
why shame on me. Read between the lines his tweets clealy say he is disappointed by the decision to let Rachel go.
Reading between the lines.. come on, that is lame Michael. JM is not a read between the lines type of guy. He speaks his mind.
People can check it out themselves on Twitter.
pearlseattle: He didn't, but he did express how much he likes her as a person and appreciate her as an actress. Also while RN was in the crew he expressed these opinions more than once. For example after Lauren aired he tweeted her "very good jobb last night Rachel" (he didn't tweet such things to anyone else though) and after the news came that she has to go, he effective immediately stated that he will miss her very much as well as the whole crew of CM. It strikes me that this "father-daughter" relationship between Rossi and Seaver created throghout the espisodes mirrors something from the relationship of the actors in real life (or at least it seems like that JM really came to like her). So Michael has a point too I think.
Anonymous, Michael made it seem like JM was angry or upset over RN being let go. Michael said,
""Look at mantegna's tweets he clearly is not happy about the way Rachel was treated you can see that in his tweets today"
JM did not say anything remotely close to this, not at all close. His tweet was gracious and very nice. JM is a great guy, but he simply did not imply, in between the lines or not, what Michael stated.
bringing back the ladies is a great move. but w/out thomas gibson it isn't enough. i was sad to see them both go, but neither of them were a show stopper for me. TG is. w/out him i'll no longer watch. the end.
Carey: I wasn't clear as it seems, sorry. :) I simply stated that he likes her very much. And also as I see his last tweets ("I think I can speak for all of us when I say that Rachel Nichols will always be a part of our CM family" and "Love ya babe") clearly show this. That's all.
And also, he tweeted for/about her 4 times in the last day, honestly this makes me beleive he's not really happy with Rachel's departure from the show. But as pro he knows how this business works.
Does anyone of you know by chance if JM and RN knew each other before Rachel joined CM? Because as I said before it seems like JM became a bit of her mentor during CM. (And let me say: this was VERY nice of him! - but maybe I just see something into this which doesn't exist)
I wonder if the Clyde characater will make another appearance now that Prentiss is returning, ye he!!!!
Dear Anonymous,
I didn't say that JM didn't like Rachel Nichols!!! I am saying that he didn't tweet "not happy the way Rachel was treated", like Michael said he did!!!
I am sure that everybody that worked with Rachel is SAD with what happened to her and that they all like her very much. That's what JM's tweets are saying, that and only that.
But I am pretty sure they are all very happy the team is back together. I am not going to say I read that on one of the cast member tweeter account because IT WOULD BE A LIE!!! See the difference here??
Anonymous, it was 3 tweets and I think that is because blasted Twitter doesn't allow you more than 140 characters a tweet unless you have the iPhone, I think, with some app to make the tweet longer. I am not a 140 character person, Twitter would not work for me :)
I don't know if they knew each other before CM, but yes, I don't doubt that he and the others liked her, but that is not the same as Michael positioned it which was my point and I think pearlseattle's point. JM and the rest of the cast and crew seem like great people who are welcoming to all that come onto the set. This is something that even guest stars have said about that set.
pearlseattle, I posted my comment after yours. Yes, that is the point I was trying to make as well.
Carey, exactly my point, THANKS.
After reading the TV guide interview to Erica Messer I’m less worried about Thomas Gibson not coming back to the show.
But in case CBS is still thinking what to do, Please sign TG a new contract right now!!!
pearlseattle, carey: I got it :). JM clearly didn't say what Michael stated he did, there's no argument.
I just wanted to say it seems like he came to like her very much (more than anyone else in the crew I suspect), and if a fan like Michael feels the same way he could feel that this is a hidden statement of his disagreement with the way the issue was handled. Sorry if I wasn't clear, but it's late in Europe (escpecially after studying patophisiology the whole day) and as English is not my mother tongue I couldn't explain myself as well as I wanted.
No problem Anonymous :) I just think it is very important not to potentially lead people to believe something that one wants to infer was meant from what was actually said.
To Anomymous,
No harm done! English is not my first language either, so I do understand that sometimes what we write doesn't reflect exactly our thoughts. I have to verify and correct my posts like 20 times before to push the publish button ;)
About the return of AJ and PB:
Well, honestly, I have mixed feelings about it. Most of you have expressed many times that there is no real consistency of the development of the characters. (For example Hotch has been in too many positions for his age). I think you shall pray now for this to continue, because if they start to show some real consistency, it will be impossible to bring back the "good old times" because the Prentiss spy arc makes it impossible. She was created to be a cool, caring woman, who can be an adorable nerd sometimes, who has a great sense of humour, who hates politics, who really cares for people, who hates to lie, who thinks that lying cannot be a solution to any problems and then presto: she changed into a cold-bloded spy who would execute the bad guys who are standing in her way without a blink (as in Lauren), who lied her way into the team, who has secrets so deep and serious that it makes it impossible to anyone to get to know her and to trust her, who doesn't trust anybody but herself and almost totally the opposite of what we saw before. Not to mention that after faking her death, going into hiding, and I think with her past disobeying many of the FBI rules, she showes up again and returns to the team? Good luck to the writers to clear this up.
About JJ: well, here we got the perfect example of lack of consistency clearly. Honestly, what the hell? She was forced to go, she had no option to remain then she now comes back because Rossi asked her. Again good luck to the writers to make sg out of it...and still I say they here should not be consistent, because if they were, there's no way they could bring her back.
About TG: I hope he signs his contract soon.
pearlseattle: hehe, I'll do the same. But I'm too tired now to to that, so I only check it once before I post (and as it seems I make myself axplaining my words after it with this attitude :P )
Anonymous, the writers certainly have a lot of knots to untie with the return of JJ and Prentiss. Don't get me wrong, I am thrilled about them coming back as I felt they never should have been let go and they serve as assets to the team. I think the things you bring up are related to in large measure to the writers that were let go at the end of season 4. From season 5-6, there has been a steady OOC style of writing for the characters that I think as taken them down this road. This is something I think also took part in the creation of a character like Seaver that just screamed OOC for the show and the other characaters. Someone mentioned having an exit arc for Seaver. Are you kidding me? There are much larger fish to fry than a characters exit that can be explained in one or two sentences. The writers have got to get to the task of untying all of the knots that they have tied for going on about 2 seasons now. I sincerely hope they are going to employ writers with the skill to untie these knots and move storylines along or else the characters are all going to choke on these knots. This is going to be one heck of an undertaking.
I wonder if the Clyde characater will make another appearance now that Prentiss is returning, ye he!!!!
Oh please no, please don't waste another precious moment of time on that hideous super spy arc. Just bring her back and move on. Clyde can be found in the box of unresolved issues along with Reid's headaches and Hotch's grief.
Just heard Paget is coming back, just one word for that .... YAHOO!!!!! I am beyond thrilled! All we need now is Thomas and we are good to go for season 7. :)
As for Rachel I think she was put in a difficult position a year ago trying to replace not one but TWO actors/characters that were/are loved dearly by the fan base which in turn also effected the make-up/dynamic of the team. I tried hard to give Seaver a chance but the character just never grow on me. With that said I do wish Rachel all the best in whatever the future holds for her.
Glad to see Paget back but i would have really hoped it would not be in the expense of Pachel. She is such a lovely person.
it would be great if all of you tweeted something nice to Rachel. She needs our support no matter what project she takes on :-)
Wow, so much to read & digest but I don't like the dissension amongst us once again...given the news that PB is coming back & the strong feeling I have after reading Erica's interview, that it is just a matter of time and TG will be returning as well...so...
I wanted us all to be happy (most of us anyway.) If you have watched the show for several years as most of us have (there is a diff. between watching 1 X wk and cramming sev seasons' DVD's in, I think) you come to look forward to the show, spend time thinking about it after; you may share your thoughts with others here, can't wait til the next epi, etc. You feel close to this "TV family" & become devoted. We are all speaking from our hearts when we go on about our faves, their skills, exceptional lines they speak & interaction/relationships they have with each other that we have come to know and love.
Michael, you don't speak as a CM fanatic; you seem to be watching the show because of Rachel. That's fine, & it would totally explain why your devotion is to HER and not to the show. That's what people are trying to say here. I have to admit I don't remember ever reading any posts from you in years past, just as I don't recall any of the "hate" and "classless" talk prior to this season. I believe you are one of a good number of RN fans. I give you credit for hanging in there while Ben, Mikey, Kenneth, Carlos and the rest have fallen by the wayside. But you are still speaking as they did - not like a serious CM fan.
Many of us are looking forward to that warm & fuzzy feeling of sharing the joy of each new epi here with other fanatics and not getting sand kicked in our faces when doing so. We want no hate; far from it. We are all in love with a wonderful TV show and we just want that enjoyment to continue - as long as the show has life left in it; like we all are praying that Season 7 will be exciting, different & thought-provoking: like the first 5 seasons were.
I would venture to say that most of here think the way CBS handled the situation for going back almost a year plainly stinks. Whether it was the fired excellent writers, actors or the poor consistency of the writing that tried to pick up the pieces when all went to hell in a handbasket with the terminations of AJ & ultimately, PB.
But with the return of both, RN MUST go. There is no room. That is sad for her & for her fans. It did not work... she was in a thankless situation. I do not doubt for one moment that JM spoke with sympathy & caring to RN as we could see that was the relationship that he displayed on screen as well: the father/ mentor. This is something that seems to be consistent on this show: like SM and KV being close, MGG looking to SM as a big brother, etc. JM is a veteran actor & a gentleman. I think he knows the business & has been supportive of RN. I am sure that the entire cast & crew wish RN well and I have little doubt that she enjoyed her time on the show also; they are a wonderful group of people - heck, that's partly why we love them.
Aaron: The idea of Seaver getting killed by Doyle & made out to be a heroine: not a bad one, all in all, if RN wants to go out in a burst of flames or whatever they say. If I were her, I think I would rather not come back after the hiatus for that, tho'. I would just want to get on with it. Plus, the writers may want as clean a cut as possible, starting the new season with the cleanest slate, & the old team intact. I think that's what I'd vote for.
It would be nice, too, Michael, to hear your views (hopefully some positive) about the other characters and the actual epis. We LOVE to talk about them, don't we CM Fanatic Family???
That's all. Coffee's gone. I'm all talked out.
Very well put gubegirl. I am SO excited for Paget to be back!! I can't wait to see all the story lines with Paget and AJ's return! It may put a little strain on the writers but I have faith they'll be just fine. Erica's got everything heading in the right direction.
That being said I will say one thing about Rachel Nichols. I am happy to see the Seaver character go. That is NOT saying that I'm glad she lost her job. I just think the character didn't fit her acting style nor did it fit in with the show.
I’m really happy about Paget’s return.
I know they’ll have to address the whole Prentiss/Ian Doyle story, but I hope they won’t dwell too deeply on it, at least not for an extended period of time. I don’t want this story to be dragged on forever.
I want the show to go back to what Criminal Minds used to be during the first four seasons.
I wasn’t a fan of Ashley Seaver but I’m feeling sorry for Rachel, it must be hard for her (even more so if she really was a fan of the show).
But with AJ and Paget both returning this isn’t a complete surprise. I can’t imagine Criminal Minds with eight regular cast members.
I wish Rachel the best for the future (and I hope the next show or movie she’ll work on will be successful and will allow her to shine).
Also, I agree with those who said they hoped to see more of Reid next season. I have seriously missed him during the last two seasons.
He’s my favorite character and I hope that season seven will show us the classic and awesome “Reid the Genius”.
I hope they’ll give Reid a storyline that will showcase his exceptional intelligence and his worth to the team. He’s a one in a billion genius (graduated high school at twelve, can read 20.000 words per minute, three PhDs in hard sciences by 21, at least three BAs by now, eidetic memory, totally off the charts IQ,…), lots of potential to explore ! I want a storyline dealing with that and making Reid really stand out and shine.
Well said Gubegirl,
I started to write a response to your post which I totally agree with.
Then AJ Cook took stage alongside Gary Sinise on the National Memorial Day Concert 2011; to share the story of Michelle and Chuck; such a beautiful tribute, absolutely heart wrenching. God Bless all the men and women who have served or are serving in our armed forces.
Proud to be an American,
Mary J
I am with Camilla here we really do need to show Rachel our support and cheer her up. Lets go on twitter and post something lovely to her. Wishing her all the best she is such a classy woman
So many great comments made by a number of posters. Agree wholeheartedly Yolanda.
christyzachman: you mentioned Emily's lying deceitfulness about how she joined the team and her early life. I wonder if this is so. In Valhalla, I believe, Hotch asked her if she had any contacts from her Interpol days. So Hotch obviously knew this, I'm assuming it's in her file. When he said this he wasn't alone in the room and no one looked surprised when he said it and in the car she took a call and told Morgan her contacts were sending some documents. They obviously did not know of her involvement with Doyle, specifically, but they didn't seem to blink at the mention of Interpol.
Michael: I realize you are upset at the loss of RN and I realize you are a fan of hers so I don't blame you. I had never seen RN before this role and because the role was such a flawed one, I didn't enjoy her, but as you already had a bias toward liking her I can understand it. I would likely feel the same if I saw MGG in another role because I already love his acting. So, perhaps for those of us who hadn't seen her before, this ill conceived character was not enough to show her at her best. I'm sure she'll go on to prove this and I wish her well. I read the tweets you mentioned from JM. In my opinion they sound like the words any co-worker might say to another on their departure. He says he's enjoyed working with her, is fond of her, feels she'll always be part of the family and wishes her well. Nowhere can I find any inkling that he's trying to infer that she was shabbily treated. I don't think it's a good idea to go around putting words in people's mouths that haven't been said.
Great that Paget will be back with the team again. Everything is firmly crossed that we will have a speedy and successful resolution to TG's contract negotiations so we can sit back and enjoy the summer in anticipation of season 7.
gubegirl, I'm glad you were able to have your family safely together for the holiday weekend.
A very happy Memorial Day to my neighbors to the south.
Season 6 was good. Lots of Morgan, lots of Prentiss, lots of Garcia. Loved it. Loved seeing my favs.
I don't think the season 6 premier can be beat, but they can always try.
Glad Prentiss is back, and I hope to see lots of her and Derek this season coming up.
GO MORGAN AND PRENTISS! =D
Derek, Derek, Derek, Derek!
So uber glad Shemar re-signed. Criminal Minds is nothing without him!
To me, Rachel Nichols was more than Agent Ashley Seaver. She was someone who was not afraid to be brought into an almost impossible situation and yet be able to handle all the negativity that came with it. She is an amazing actress who did not deserve to be cut out from the cast of Criminal Minds. Whatever the future holds for her, I wish her the best. I hope that she will be able to come back to the show at some point.
As Adrienne Riche once said, "Every journey into the past is complicated by delusions, false memories, false naming of real events," as said by Ashley Seaver.
Please show her support by tweeting something nice to her. She need to know the CM family will always support her.
Just saw the news about Paget and I'm ecstatic! This made my day!
CBS - Please finish fixing what you broke and give Thomas Gibson a new contract soon. I'd like to be able to put all this unpleasantness in the past and look forward to watching CM again.
No TG = No CM for me.
So glad that Paget is back! I've missed her big time!
Can't wait for season 7!
Welcome back, Paget! Very happy to see my 2nd fave back but need the Hotch-man to make me tune in next year after a really bad S6. So much potential for great storylines with Hotch/Prentiss/Reid! :0)
No Hotch, No Watch!
No TG/Hotch, No CM 4 me. Glad Erica seems somewhat positive TG will be back but won't get excited until he's back since he's the reason I watch. So want our ENTIRE team back together again.
No Hotch No Watch.
Really glad that Paget will be back (& AJ as well) to CM 7 ... The original crew are genuinely professional actors & actresses !
Now that Thomas Gibson is the only left without a contract !Let us loyal fans speak up for TG & press on to CBS ~
I have been tweeting to CBS everyday & for more than ten days with this:
" CBS, respect Mr. Thomas Gibson with a DECENT CONTRACT ! Don't humiliate him! RESPECT TG!"
Let us leave comments on any CBS official platforms (website, Facebook, Tweeter ..etc) EVERYDAY until TG 's contract is finally settled !
@ Cindy and Pat: Thanks for your good thoughts.
@ mfj1311: Have been watching the show and despite starting it late, got to hear AJ and her sad and touching story: I did not know that her father was killed in Vietnam and she never knew him! What a wonderful speech she gave and how much it moved everyone, myself inc. So perfect that she could appear alongside her friend and co-star, Joe, who has been involved with this project for many years. Had to grab the kleenex to hear it all! Great also to see JM; he looks and sounds wonderful. What a sweetheart he is - a genuinely good guy, I think. I find it refreshing to admire someone for their talent or skill and then as you learn more about them, find that they are indeed a good person as well. I love that.
christyzachman: all those derogatory adjectives you used about Emily: I am sure she made some serious mistakes in her "past life" and is extremely remorseful for them but we don't yet know the circumstance completely. I am looking forward to learning more about the facts. I don't want to be naive, but I have to say the Emily that I feel I know: I would trust her completely. She is a good person and I feel has probably redeemed - and will continue to redeem - herself. I'm betting the team will be happy to welcome her back into the fold, even if one or two have some initial reluctance. I'm sure that she strives to lead a good life, is a caring person & a worthy friend. That's just how I feel. She had her reasons.
I am very glad to have her back. And for what it's worth: I can't think of anything Emily ever did that "annoyed" me. Anyone?
Karen: hi to you! and I agree, the writers for S-7 must be EXCELLENT and need a CM historian at each of their desks, checking for accuracy :) Did I hear anyone ask for that? I'll bet several of us would volunteer for this job for FREE! We could have our trusty DVDs in tow, but those of us who have been surviving on ion and A&E re-runs during the "dry" nites or when the ironing basket gets too high, probably remember things even the cast themselves don't remember! I have to smack myself sometimes while watching, I get so caught up and find myself speaking the actors' lines "in stereo" and one of my kids or husband will look at me like I'm a total whack job. A-a-a-h-h-h, that's a good CM for you...
Hey Gubegirl, the story AJ was reading was not her own. She was speaking for Michelle and Gary was speaking for Chuck; after their portrayal of the story they went into the audience to speak with Michelle and Chuck. I absolutely agree with you about Joe, the remarks he made at the unveiling of his Hollywood Star were so endearing and his loyalty and support for his family makes him all the more loveable.
I get caught up in speaking the actors lines too; my daughter has threatened to take my DVD’s away from me. Now that would be some serious psychodrama. I volunteer to sit with writers to ensure proper Criminal Minds history, how fun would that be!
Hey, hey CBS/ABC Studios…let’s get the deal done with Thomas; CM writers have some serious writing to do; they are back to work on Tuesday.
I got so mad when i heard the news of the sacking of Rachel. She did not deserve this. God this network treats their actors like crap
gubegirl,
LOL, or sometimes on a show that's not even a rerun, I'll give a character's reply to a question and it'll turn out to be almost exact. My friend keeps saying I've been watching this too long. No such thing in my book.
I too hope the writers will watch previous seasons and get some kind of idea what the characters are like and canon as far as each of them is concerned. So I hope Erica can get her writers to focus on continuity for the characters and the stories, not starting something and then suddenly dropping it.
I have to admit that I will not miss Seaver next year. So deeply did I dislike the character that if she'd been in S7 I most likely wouldn't have been tuning in.
And whilst I've never been a big fan of Prentiss (up until Seaver, Prentiss was my least favourite character on CM) I am very pleased Paget's coming back. If S6 produced anything positive for me it was that it showed me that the old team of Reid, Hotch, Rossi, Morgan, JJ, Garcia and Prentiss is by far the best. (Although I'm one of the few who would love to see Elle back again.)
I am now very much looking forward to S7. I am hoping that Erica Messer delivers on her comments about going back to Reid's headache storyline. I was really disappointed when that storyline just disappeared into the ether.
Jane said...
"Also, I agree with those who said they hoped to see more of Reid next season. I have seriously missed him during the last two seasons.
He’s my favorite character and I hope that season seven will show us the classic and awesome “Reid the Genius”.
I hope they’ll give Reid a storyline that will showcase his exceptional intelligence and his worth to the team. He’s a one in a billion genius (graduated high school at twelve, can read 20.000 words per minute, three PhDs in hard sciences by 21, at least three BAs by now, eidetic memory, totally off the charts IQ,…), lots of potential to explore ! I want a storyline dealing with that and making Reid really stand out and shine. "
^^^ Yes. This.
I've really missed Reid these past few seasons too. And, as much as I want his headache storyline dealt with properly I would LOVE to see Reid's genius and worth to the team being explored.
I spent the weekend savoring the news of Paget Brewster’s return. So rare is it for things to work out just the way you want them to. I was dreading the prospects of having to mourn her one final time; so the Deadline news on Saturday was such a relief and extremely satisfying. I welcome Paget back with open arms. I supposed the people who have problems with her return under the guise of storyline or her character’s supposed lying, didn’t really like or care for the Prentiss character in the first place.
Now with AJ and Paget returning, the CM story is almost complete. Until Thomas Gibson has signed on the dotted line, there remains a bit of apprehension. Lisa Edelstein not returning to House, and Christopher Meloni’s departure from SVU, are examples of how these things can take an ominous turn. I know the producers want him back; so it’s imperative that Thomas re-signs as soon as possible, because these things have a way of not working out. And the jubilant news of Paget’s and AJ’s return won’t matter much, if Thomas is not a part of the CM fabric.
I too must admit that I’m glad the Seaver character will no longer be a part of the team. The character never meshed well with the team primarily because the underlying story introducing the character was poorly conceived and executed. I also had problems with Rachel Nichols’ portrayal of the character. She just never seemed comfortable. I hope the producers end this chapter with the final epilogue of season 6. To continue it into season 7 would be a serious mistake. CM really needs to start fresh in season 7 with the original cast and focus on developing and unraveling existing storylines, while weaving new tales of intrigue and suspense.
There’s enough disappointment, sadness and unprofessionalism to go around in this saga, starting with the initial, unexpected and unceremonious ouster of AJ Cook. She bore the brunt of the most heinous treatment by CBS; and she handled it with complete professionalism and aplomb, which made her return that much more satisfying. Paget’s release, although less drastic, was also unfair, hurtful and moronic, especially considering the success of CM.
Rachel was the beneficiary of the void created by what CBS/ABC did to AJ and Paget. She got 13 episodes out of the deal, the same number that Oscar-winner Forest Whitaker got for CMSB. I’m not feeling sorry for her as much as I feel she should be grateful for the opportunity. The Seaver character could not have been introduced without damage to the other female characters. The networks and producers simply hit the reset button and put things back in its original order. I think Rachel has been gracious and professional; and I wish her well in her future endeavors. But what she received was a bonus. She got to work on a great series, with great actors and a great crew, because AJ and Paget were dumped. Since she benefitted from their exit; the loss had to be borne by her as a result of their return. Remember the old adage, “turnabout is fair play.”
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I never accepted the argument of some who questioned whether Paget should return because of the way CBS treated her. And I don’t accept that we should feel sorry about Rachel’s treatment. Companies are not in the business to make their employees feel good. That’s the case whether is a mom-and-pop hardware store, or a major network. And they’re all prone to occasionally making dumb decisions. However, actors in the business know and understand the business; and probably have been the victims of worse in their careers. That victimization is now more public because they are a part of a successful series. However, if they choose to remain in the entertainment industry, they understand that the hirings, firings, replacements and cancelations are all a part of the business. Can you imagine how Oscar-winner Forest Whitaker must feel after getting only 13 episodes to prove his television worth? Rachel got the same number of episodes, and I’m not really feeling sorry for either. My sorrow and pity in this unpleasant episode was exhausted on the actresses who were unceremoniously fired after spending more than five seasons as a part of the team I love.
I’m happy things appear to be working out the way it’s supposed to; but I really won’t feel comfortable until after Thomas is back on board. I love the entire cast, with Paget only second to Thomas; but I could not watch CM without Thomas in the lead role. His presence is the reason I tune in every week, and the reason I will tune out if he’s no longer there.
gubegirl, your second to last post is pure gold! You articulated everything I wanted to say and in such a better manner than I ever could. Thank you for writing that :)
On a side note, I read an article on the E!online blog stating that Paget is returning next season for fewer episodes. If so, then this is surely a downer, I wanted her to be there for all the episodes. But I'm glad she'll be back!
Criminal Minds fan, can you tell us anything on this matter?
I won't be making any comments at this time regarding either Paget or Thomas.
Okay, thank you for replying.
mfj1311: Whew! Thx for telling me that! That's what I get for tuning in late and not sitting down in front of it giving my full attn! But she spoke as if it were HER! That just goes to show what a tremendous actress she is, doesn't it? She made me cry.
Jane: Meant to tell you that I think Reid's IQ is 187. Correct me, people, if I am wrong.
Must run off to Jazzercise to make room for the barbeque and strawberry shortcake for our Mem Day dinner: my son-in-law is looking forward to that steak!
Happy Mem Day everyone!
Hey gubegirl! I would definitely take that historian job for free haha! I think that Erica will keep a close eye on the writing and get it right. I have faith in her!
Heyya: That wouldn't surprise me if Paget will be in fewer episodes this season. I don't think they would come into the season opener and deal with Prentiss being alive. They must first bring JJ/AJ back into the show since she is one of the secret holders. They'll have to take one or two episodes to ease into the season. But, that is just my opinion!
I would imagine Paget will miss at least the first episode, but hopefully they won't devote too much time to bringing her back. I'd really love it if we didn't have another season of distractions and choppy episodes because they're trying to tell two different stories at once.
I absolutely hated the Prentiss arc, but not because I never liked the character as was suggested, but because a) it took away from the episode each week. Those 10 to 15 minutes they were devoting to Emily Prentiss International Super Spy forced the actual episode to be chopped down to the point where it felt rushed and at times ridiculous and.....b) because they completely retconned the character and not in a good way. I have a hard time watching Emily in the older episodes because I know that she's not really that person. They turned her into something that was never presented over the years and I found what they turned her into to be absurd and ridiculous and completely undesirable and how does she just go back to being a BAU minion after something like that?
Hopefully we'll get one episode to bring her back and no more time will be wasted on that awful story. Just have JJ come into Hotch's office and tell him that Ian Doyle is dead and let them devote an entire episode to bringing Emily back and be done with it. Please.
Personally, I'd prefer that Season 6 just be one of the character's bad dreams. The network didn't have the balls to follow through with their decision to change things up so the least they could do is have the balls to admit they made a big mistake and what better way to do that than by pulling the awful dream scenario out. The audience gets to groan for about 30 seconds and then it's just back to business as usual.
sf81387, like you, I don't know how they are going to clean up the mess they made out of the Prentiss character season 6. I love that Prentiss is coming back. I can't wait to see her on CM again as I have missed her terribly since she's been gone, but I fear that her arc will not only have undesirable reprecussions for her character, but also for the Hotch and JJ characters. The only thing I can think of besides your dream scenario, which considering what they have done season 6 doesn't sound bad, maybe they can just position it as something that Prentiss did at a time when she thought differently, perceived things differently. Maybe her life undercover left a bad taste in her mouth and that is why she left and decided to start anew at the BAU, desiring to bury her past. Sometimes we do things that, in hindsight we think, "What the hell was I thinking?" There's things I have done and believed in the past that when I think about it now seem so foreign to me, like that was someone other than me who committed those actions and held those beliefs.
On some level, Prentiss has kind of been out of the box, not really having any family connections, no roots, travelling around a lot, so maybe that can be an angle to try and clear up this story. I know these are probably not strong ideas, but they are the only things I can think of. I don't know how they are going to do it, but like you, I hope they don't delve back into the whole spy arc, Doyle madness. I'm thinking they will probably devote one episode to JJ's return to the BAU and then maybe another one explaining that Prentiss is alive where she may or may not appear back on the scene. JJ coming into Hotch's office to tell him that Doyle is dead would be a great segway to getting Prentiss back on as it would bury that arc once and for all and Prentiss can come back and they can get on with the business of season 7.
As great as this news is, Thomas is still on the missing list so far and our team is not complete yet.I hope CBS grew some brains(and some other things!) and realized that 'the tribe has spoken' when it comes to what the viewers and fans of this show want.Surely this big buildup about our ladies is not to cushion a letdown of Thomas NOT returning?Could they be that stupid again?
Either way, it is not much of a show without him. There are a lot of plot holes to fix in season 7, so get some writers who know how to write please!For me season 6 was a bust. I went on a hiatus after the JJ episode, cane back to see Paget's farewell, and that was about it.My last nerve was reached with all the crap going on, and no newbie JJ clone was going to fix it.She only infuriated me more because she was there,sorry.Either someone likes a character or they don't.
Once again this year there seemed to be very little of my favorite genius?Do these people have a grudge against Matthew or something?So I can only guess the uproar when HE is up for renewal next year.Until then, I shall most likely go into a 'blissful denial' about that issue.
I am really tired of the soap drama with my fave show. Come on CBS fix it, and get OUR SEVEN back together.Then I MAY return.
Of course, the ultimate deal-or-no-deal factor for me this time next year is whether Mr Gubler is in our out.He goes, I go with him and stick to seasons 1-5 on dvd.
Season 6?Sorry I just want that to be a dream sequence in one of Spencer's headaches, perhaps!
So what's with Ed Bernaro? He quit Criminal Minds and CMSB has been cancelled. I guess he quit too soon!
We need the entire team - with Gibson! It's great that AJ and Paget are returning, but now we need the 'fearless leader' too!
sf81387 said...
"...I absolutely hated the Prentiss arc, but not because I never liked the character as was suggested, but because a) it took away from the episode each week..."
sf, I said those who have problems with Paget's return, not those who hated the Prentiss story arc. Overall, I enjoyed the arc, but I had serious problems with some of the scripting, storytelling and unnecessary changes that Prentiss went through, such as her withholding information.
My comment is meant to address some of the comments that I have read that have expressed disappointment with Paget's return for one reason or another, not the execution of the Prentiss arc. You can not like how a character and story are written, but still welcome them back. Or you can hope the character's exit remains permanent.
My interpretation of your comments is that they related to the storyline, not about Paget's presence on CM.
OK, I've got my coffee and ready to go again!
heyva: how ya doin', kid? TY for that. Coming from someone who writes as well, as you, I appreciate that!
Karen: How would you suggest we go about convincing Erica that our services are REALLY needed? We will save them so much time and $ by working for free, right? And we might just get to hang with our faves: pick Reid's brain, hope that MGG offers to show us his etchings :), check out Rossi's sideburns (black today or salt & peppa? JJ's eyes as beautiful as they look on the screen? Wearing blue contacts? Hmmm....ck out the make-up job on PB of her "brand" so she can still wear her lo-cuts...get a great photo of KV being her happy-techy self at her desk with a zillion pens...see Hotch smile WAY more often on the set than on the show...and Morgan: after being handed the MuscleBody mag at my local vitamin store with Shemar on the cover - did I tell you that the clerk actually tentatively offered it when I was buying my son's sport vitamins and said something like, "Maybe your son would like to look at this...I can give YOU something more girly..." Man, I almost shreiked but managed to keep myself somewhat contained when I responded, "Is that SHEMAR???" She said she really didn't know, and I had that baby in my hand so fast, I'm sure she thought I was nuts. Who needs girly when they have a great pic of Shemar bare-chested?
Altho' I have been referring to him as "Hunka-munka" ( you know the children's author,artist, Beatrix Potter? I'll bet Blimey does! I'm sure she did not have Shemar in mind as she wrote about her mice all those years ago!) I have now decided to call him HOT CHOCOLATE...I don't need to explain that one and the SM fans will totally get that...LOL
@ Anonymous just below sf81387:
I agree that Emily knows she made a horrible mistake and regrets it big-time. I think most of us who have been around awhile, can look back at something we did some years ago, and just shake our heads and think WTH was I thinking?
I know I have.
I think that's just human nature. It's what you do with it that counts: Own up. Apologize. Acknowledge that your actions hurt people, and apologize again. Then move on, right?
I must get to my e-mails and my coffee's getting cold.
Don't forget to listen to some good music today:)
TTFN.
Pat: I almost forgot: Are you sure you don't want to jump on board with me & Karen for the "accurate writing assistant" jobs?
We can quote previous stuff the characters have said IN STEREO and impress the heck outta them...:)
They would be fools not to take us up on our offers of working for free...we just won't let on that for us, it's not really 'work!'
"Now that Thomas Gibson is the only left without a contract !Let us loyal fans speak up for TG & press on to CBS ~
I have been tweeting to CBS everyday & for more than ten days with this:
" CBS, respect Mr. Thomas Gibson with a DECENT CONTRACT ! Don't humiliate him! RESPECT TG!"
Let us leave comments on any CBS official platforms (website, Facebook, Tweeter ..etc) EVERYDAY until TG 's contract is finally settled !"
Count me in!
No HOTCH/TG, NO WATCH!!!
gubegirl, thanks! I'm great especially after the news we got this weekend. I couldn't be happier. Now only if they hurry up and re-sign Thomas Gibson and confirm that we'll never have to see Seaver on Criminal Minds ever again, then my joy will be complete =D
You betcha, I'm there gubegirl. Something has to be done.
I'm having a devil of a time trying to figure out how old Reid is. In Oct. of 2005 he celebrates his 24th birthday and a month later Hotch states that he's had to listen to the kid whine about qualifying for his firearms for three years. That would mean he started in the BAU in 2002 at the age of 21. Move forward to 2008 to Tabula Rasa and we see flashbacks from four years ago when Hotch introduces Reid as a new agent although he'd already been there three years in an episode three years before. Now in Nov. of 2008, he states he's 27, which would jive with when he had his birthday in season one. But in March 2010, he's asked how long he's worked there and he says something like five years, seven months and nineteen days. So at the beginning of the series they had him starting in 2002 at the age of 21 but in 2010, eight years later, he states he's only worked there 5+ years.
And that's only one example gubegirl, they really need our help gf, so I am reporting for duty!! LOL
Pat: Yeah really, when you lay it out there like that, you would think that MGG would correct them, wouldn't you? But maybe with his "horrific" headaches, he is confused by such trivia and can't be bothered:)
Consider yourself hired!
(Now just call Erica and ask if CBS might be willing to spring for transportation expenses? Hah!) We'll hole up in a couple hotel rooms, watch the Young and the Restless, CM reruns and eat junk food....OK, now I'm going WAY too far...
@gubegirl:
While you are all there, can you have it etched in stone that these people cannot ever ever ever mess with this cast again, perhaps?
Someone needs to keep the accuracy,hisoty, or timelines going, after all.Which,imho, the fans/viewers seem to be keeping track of a lot more than TPTB at the show.
I am still hoping that this whole fiasco that was season 6 is the product of Reid waking up from one of his headaches,jut to have it all be a dream, or should I say nightmare.If only it were that simple.
Oh, and if you can, please swing by my house to pick me up,lol.
I would love to take a look at Matthew's...ahem, 'etchings' myself. : )
Heck, I would play a plant stand or file cabinet just to hang out with these people!
Still no sign of TG putting pen to paper? Hmmmm, CBS had better get this sorted out soon or else I'll be featuring in an episode as an unsub. ;-)) At present I'm unable to fully look forward to season 7 and it's not sitting well with me.
There's a lot of potentially good storylines to look forward to next season, especially how the rest of the team react to the resurection of Prentiss - but without Hotch that's going to be the dampest of damp squibs.
@ Gubegirl.
Glad you're having a fab weekend with the family - pop some of that strawberry cheesecake in the post for me!
Also... Beatrix Potter was my absolute favourite author from when I was about two onwards. I'm turning into a crazy cat lady thanks to Tom Kitten's early influence!!
Samuel Whiskers was the best character though, the ultimate unsub of the rat world. SW was guilty of kidnapping, holding Tom Kitten hostage while planning to murder him & then eat him, coercing his wife (Anna Maria, I think) to assist with such heinous crimes. Like a furry version of CM set in the Lake District!
The seeds were sown early in my twisted little mind...
gubegirl,
Aah, The Young and the Restless, where I got my first taste of Shemar and...never mind, I think you get the picture. I was so sad when he left to do "some prime time show". Little did I know...
Actually, some of the continuity errors really are glaring.
Years ago, I remember hearing about the British soap opera Coronation Street (don't watch it, btw) having files on all their characters and as more information comes out it's added for future reference and continuity. Things like date of birth, family background, life pre-Corrie, etc.
Garcia mentioned having brothers but then became an only child. The only thing I can think of is that the brothers are really step-brothers (she mentioned having her stepfather's surname so I assume her mother remarried). I don't have half-siblings, so can't really comment if I'd refer to them purely as siblings - however, I have a few friends who have half-siblings and never mention the half. Hmmm.
I mean my "bestie" (haha!) refers to her elder half sister just as her sister - not denies her existence.
It's getting late & the caffeine is wearing off!
Urrggh...
OK, guys, I say, let's show them we're serious here, and start a data base. All the "facts" need to be recorded and then we can move on from there. Problem is: which are true and which aren't? The first? The nebulous story Blimey just related: Garcia IS an only child of her parents but her mom re-married and had more and became step mom to - some boys? Is that where the brothers came in? Weren't her parents killed in a auto accident when she was about 18? I seem to remember that...
Where is that Reid brain when we need it? He could serve as our very own "ATM" of knowledge and spew the facts out as only Reid can rant....you're right about the file cabinet, plant, whatever, ANONYMOUS, I would be a fly on the wall to just be in the same room with them. I want them to be MY family, you know what I mean? Maybe if I cook for them....:)
Paget and A.J. are back, C.M. marathon on Ion, and my sons 1st cookout ( he was in heaven once he saw all the food) The one thing that would make this day even better is knowing T.G. signed..... maybe tomorrow. I noticed another on this blog w/ the same name and differing views. So as not to get us confused I am now going by velandra, formerly known as Tina.
Gubegirl: best wishes to your family and many thanks to your son- in- law. When you arrive on set :) can you let me know if the wonderful Dr. Reid is as delicious in person as he is onscreen :) Happy Memorial Day to all!
Gubegirl: yes in "Penelope" Garcia says her parents were killed when she was 18
Gubegirl: I don't know how to approach that one. We could just say "We would like to offer our free expert Criminal Minds services in order to better the fan experience" haha. I would love to just hang around that set for one day it seems like so much fun! Just thinking about seeing Shemar's chiseled abs in person makes me shiver haha.
Glad to see the news that the Seaver character will be gone. Nothing personal, just was an error on CM's part to put a rookie cadet in a highly trained position and go from learning to learn-ed in a few episodes. Didn't make sense.
With the return of AJ and Paget, all we need is Thomas Gibson to get signed and I'd say we can get back to looking forward to some good CM episodes again. Enough with the far-fetched story arcs. Get back and get real, like it used to be before Season 6 (which felt like it kind of tanked halfway through the season).
I love this show! Can't wait to see the cast all back together! Looking forward to the writers cranking it up a notch...
WTH.. Did you guys see that Rachel found out about her being fired from CM from the net. Talk about WRONG in big letters. How cruel can this network get to not even tell her in a decent conversation is just wrong on all accounts. CBS is really the worst piece of crap out there!
I'm watching "100" on Ion TV, one of the best CM episodes ever!!!
CBS, sign Gibson as soon as possible, you do not want to lose this magnificent actor. He is the anchor that holds the team on the show together.
Paget, welcome back!!! You have been missed!!! I cannot wait until you grace the CM screen again with AJ and the rest of the team.
Sorry for the spacing errors. I was trying to type while watching this episode. Big mistake, the tears are flowing. No matter how many times I watch this episode, it still feels like the first time. Truly wonderful and moving episode.
Karen, geez, you will be shivering, I will be sweating... (even tho' I am always cold and must wear a cami under whatever else 9 mos. out of the year and live in sunny so. Cali.)if I were to be anything close to SM or MGG and maybe even TG. Who knows, maybe even their make-up people would make me sweat...
Pat, what kind of a demeanor will you be presenting to the CM staff that cannot live w/o our services?
Velandra (formerly known as Tina:)
TY for your well wishes and for confirming what my sometimes errant memory thought was true about Garcia's parents. All that we have been told really doesn't add up, does it?
My gosh, they need us SO badly...maybe you will want to join our team of AAW's (accurate assistant writers...) You must be obsessed with CM, have most CM data committed to memory, go on & on about it to anyone who will listen, giving the impression of a total freak about it to most lay people, especially your family or roommates, and be prepared to work for free. No prob, right?
Michael, where did you hear this information? I cannot believe it. If it is true, that would indeed be tacky.
Gubegirl, CBS has a history of not informing talent that they are being dismissed prior to the talent finding out in the media. KV found out that CMSB was cancelled through fans on Twitter. By far, the most notorious example of this is Without a Trace. Prior to CBS cancelling that show, they requested that the cast take pay cuts to ensure that it would air for an additional season. The cast obliged and they took pay cuts. While on a press tour for the show in Italy, the show'e lead, Anthony LaPaglia, was told by a reporter that CBS had cancelled the show.
CBS should definitely inform their talent beforehand of these sorts of things, but most of the times they don't. This is par for the course at CBS. Anybody signing on with them had better get hip to this type of standards and practice at that network.
Rachel did tweet that she found about this from the Internet. This is just a long line of crap CBS shows to its actors. A list.
1. AJ and Paget found out they were being fired last year while on hiatus.
2. Rachel's recurring role was announced the day of AJ's last episode.
3. Rachel finds out she was fired from the Internet.
There are probably many more examples. I have no clue if CBS told Eddie Cibrina he was being fired last year. I don't know if they told the lab tech from CSI they were letting her go. There's plenty of other sudden cast changes out there as well.
This is par for the course in how the network executives act in CBS. Is it right? No, but there is ample precedence for it. If CBS couldn't show courtesy to AJ and Paget who worked on that show for years and were fan favorites, why would they do it for Rachel?
I have always wondered why the writers didn't think of doing their homework about the characters. How are you supposed to write for characters when you don't even know them? I agree that S5 and particularly S6 had very sloppy continuity and consistency regarding in character writing. But I think that S6 had so many distractions and behind the scenes drama. I really hope CBS has learned their lesson and ends the BTS drama once and for all by renewing Gibson and completing the restoration of the cast.
I think it would take a lot of time for the newer CM writers to sit down and watch all prior seasons and take notes on the characters so I understand if they don't go quite that far. Although for us CM junkies, the scenario someone mentioned of holing up in a hotel room having CM marathons and eating junk food sounds quite nice. HA!
There are quicker, easier and more time-efficient ways for the writers to get to know the characters and their histories on the show. Namely, the internet. I can't post the link without Jill's permission, but if you google "criminal minds fan wiki characters" you will find that most of the writers' jobs regarding keeping history and profiles on the characters have already been done for them by us crazed CM fans. There is a mistake on JJ's page though. It says that she is afraid of the woods but she was just joking when she said that. She was playing a prank on Morgan and Reid by telling a fake story to them in 2.06 The Boogeyman.
I too think it would be fun to spend a day on set or be part of the writers' room discussions!
gubegirl: I think we should hold a class and write each character's name down and underneath what we know about them. I watched The Fisher King on Friday I believe and 100 tonight and again a, at least what I consider huge, descrepancy about Reid's memory. At the beginning of the series we were told Reid had an eidetic memory which meant he could remember everything he read. This was further made clear in The Fisher King where Reid's obsessing over the poem and Morgan says he thought Reid had a photographic memory. Reid corrects him and says eidetic, related primarily to what he reads, but the poem was something he'd heard. We learn later his mother used to read it to him. But in 100, Morgan asks Reid what Foyet said to Hotch on the phone exactly and Reid starts spewing it out like a robot. Somehow his eidetic memory has become that he remembers everything. Oy!!
Michael: If it is indeed as you say, then you and I finally agree. Although I was not fond of the Seaver character, I think that is a terrible way for RN, or anyone for that matter to hear they're out of a job. From other posts it seems like this is business as usual for CBS, but nonetheless it does seem cruel, and I will now use your word, classless.
Ah, everytime I see the blog has a new post I get so nervous and hope it doesn't say that Thomas doesn't have a contract! Hope this will be resolved soon. I agree with what others have said, no Hotch no CM for me.
Was so upset to hear Rachel found out via the internet while on vacation. I was beginning to warm up to Seaver. That said, I cannot wait for AJ and Paget to return.
Hoping Thomas will sign soon and this will be the best season yet!
I feel so awful for RN but so happy AJ and Paget are coming back.
The way the cast changes have been handled is awful and you would have thought there'd have been some better plan in motion for telling someone they're unemployed.
However AJ handled the situation classy and so did Paget, no doubt RN will too.
Did I mention I'm so happy AJ and Paget are returning? :D
If I was new to the show I think I would have taken to the Seaver character. I liked RN on Alias however I just didn't get the same team vibe off the cast with Seaver on the team... everything seemeed forced somehow once AJ left.
So I can't wait for seaseon 7 to return with the whole team and return to season 1- 5 standards with profiling and our team.
I really hope everything gets sorted out with TG contract fast so the show I started watching in season 1 comes back.
RN was walking into an impossble situation and I won't lie I was one who did not see why CM needed Seaver. I wish her all the best and hope she can handle the awful situation with the same class the other two actresses had.
Looking forward the Erica Messer taking over it sounds like she wants to listen to the fans and the actors and get back to what the show is about and leave behind all the inconsistant writing and stoylines that are for some other show,and hopefully CM will come back better and stronger!
@Maria
JJ is afraid of the woods. She tells a story about why which is a joke but ultimeately she says she is afraid of the woods she just doesn't know why.
After that she asks Reid why he is afraid of the dark and he says it is because of the "absence of light."
While I didn't particularly like Prentiss's exit arc, I don't understand why it should be difficult for experienced FBI agents to understand her motives as an uncover agent for the Interpol (and I kinda liked the fact that they dealt with an U/C agent in the S6 finale). Maybe they would be wary of certain aspects of her behaviour, but to lose faith in someone who has done some less-than-palatable things (and which must have been excruciatingly difficult for her, too) because it was her JOB would be a bit OTT for me, especially given that they know how secretive such a job would have to be for the safety of everyone concerned. They are not laymen, are they, so I don't think it should be too hard for them to understand Emily's actions, although empathy would require more time. To have been subjected to false grief, on the other hand, would induce hurt, anger and a shocking sense of betrayal. JJ and Hotch better take care - although their actions were also understandable and justified in context, they might have to bear the brunt of the others' emotional trauma. I don't see anyone hurting JJ but I fear that if Hotch returns next season his team could rearrange his pretty face, or at least be tempted to. All told, I wouldn't mind some emotional moments among the team members with EP's return, but I would not want to spend too many episodes on Ian Doyle either.
Terrible about how RN found out about her future on CM. Quite shameful really.
Derek,
I am very sorry I lost my temper at you the other day.
Gary,
It is indeed unclassy of CBS not to have informed RN. They did the same to AJ and Paget and apparently as someone else on here pointed out, it is par for the course for them. Very heartless and unprofessional to let anyone go that way, no matter what your profession is!
I wish RN all the best. I hope Conan does very well at the box office!
I am happy that Paget is coming back to the show!!! Now, we need the news of Thomas Gibson signing a contract to set things in motion. I think the writers go back today to start drafting scripts for season 7 today and I would think it is quite unnerving for them to not have it written in stone that Thomas is coming back. CBS, just come to terms with Thomas already, he has gone far and above the call of duty to break out into a character that many will simply stop watching the show if it were no longer to appear on the show.
I never cared for the Seaver character for reasons that have been stated here one a many times. However, I do wish Rachel the best in wherever her path may lead her. About her finding out the news over the internet, honestly, she's lucky she had internet access or else she would have found out when she got back, or maybe a friend would have called to tell her the news. I was not shocked that she found out that way. CBS indeed has a very long history of this sort of behavior with actors and shows. Someone mentioned the situation with Without a Trace which was crazy, going out on a press tour for the show in Italy meanwhile the show has been canceled and the only way you find out about, while you were promoting the show, was through a reporter at one of the press tour stops. I can only imagine that the rpeorter was like why is this actor promoting a show that got canceled. I won't even try and put myself in Anthony LaPaglia's shoes. Do you know that he gave up a lead role on the show the Soprano's to go ahead with Without a Trace after CBS said they were giving the show the greenlight to move ahead. Shortly after airing, the Soprano's soared in the ratings (the show was in casting mode, had not aired yet, when Anthony was approached to star on the show). I think it is safe to assume that he was upset, maybe still upset to this day.
@Maria
Oops, I stand corrected. Thanks Anonymous for pointing that out.
Ms. Nichols, I'm sorry you had such a rough time and I'm sorry CBS didn't notify you in person. Good luck in your future projects. I think you would be great in a romantic comedy, maybe you should try that next. :)
Gary, that is terrible of CBS but I think the showrunners at CM are innocent. I don't think it behooves you or Ms. Nichols to smear their name in mud.
Best of luck to Mr. Gibson on his negotiations.
Emily did not work for Interpol, she worked for the CIA. As Gideon once said, CIA agents are the best liars in the world. Emily is very good at lying and it is no surprise that she doesn't like liars because of her past job in the CIA. It is probably why she wanted out of the agency, she got tired of lying and being lied to by her companions and bosses.
Yes, she does have friends in Interpol but they were friends from her time in the CIA and quite possibly from her childhood years. Her parents are diplomats and probably has had dealings with Interpol during their careers. It is no surprise that Emily would know people there. But that does not mean that she worked as one of them. She was an American CIA agent, not an international Interpol agent.
The team should have questions and problems with her in that is she as truthful as she can be with them. Her first day when she introduced herself to Hotch, she lied. How many other lies did she express to the team. We have heard many things from her but how truthful are they. I think that many of them are truthful because of her desire to put her lying and deceitful syp days behind her. She wants to trust and believe in the people around her and wants them to do the same with her but I hope it does take a little time of adjustment in knowing that she is alive and whether any thing she says about herself and her feelings are honest.
She is good at deceiving, it helps sometimes in dealing with unsubs but does she also do that with her 'family'. That is the question to ask yourself.
Yes, Jessica. To get so bent out of shape about the notification process, or lack thereof, for RN is one thing, to take it to that level is another thing. I'm not saying that CBS' history of not informing actors about their fates on shows is cool, it's not, but it is something they have done now for a while now. That doesn't make it right, but neither does it make it something targeted directly at RN. This is business as usual at CBS and at other networks and movie studios. I remember the whole Without a Trace show drama. I loved that show. LaPaglia and the rest of that cast got screwed, but guess what, they learned from that experience and moved on. I'm sure they were upset, especially LaPaglia for turning down a lead role on the Soprano's because CBS said Without a Trace was good to go. He couldn't have known what a hit the Soprano's was going to be as it had not yet been shot to air, but damn, that was one hell of an opportunity given up to move ahead with a show you thought was going to get picked up.
RN should use this experience to develop a little more of a thick skin to swim in the Hollywood pool, and possibly get more work because of her time on this show. Lamenting over how she find out about her sitaution is not going to change the situation at the end of the day. If I lost my job, I'd be upset, but I had better get over that pretty quick, get it together and start looking for work. Hollywood is a tough industry that has no shame in its game (look at what originally happened to AJ and Paget), but if you want to continue in the industry you have got to learn how to play the game so that you come out winning, if not all of the time, a good portion of the time.
I can't say that I am upset that the Seaver character will no longer be on CM. I think that character was a horrible idea from the time the ink hit the paper, but RN got a good opportunity that she definitely can use in her favor moving forward.
Glad Paget and AJ are back, let's get Gibson a contract, the writing in order, and we are set for season 7.
Christy, you obviously don't like the Prentiss character. You have made that known on several ocassions here. You are "filling" in gaps that no one knows here. We don't know anything about how Prentiss came to work at the CIA or interpol, whatever, I remember it being interpol, anyway, what the circumstances behind that were, how she felt during that time, what got her to the FBI, etc.. It was a big leap when the writers wrote the team as knowing that Prentiss worked at CIA/interpol. This was never indicated at all and many like me were quite shocked that they all they sudden knew this in the Prentiss arc. That points back to the writing being out of focus for a good time now.
You will probably not change your mind about Prentiss, okay, but none of us knows how her story is going to unfold in season because up until season 6 that was never even mentioned about her.
You are right, I don't like how they made the Prentiss character. I enjoyed her in the first episodes that she was in but then they started to make her like other female characters instead of different. I liked that she had diplomatic and political connections. I liked her ability to speak other languages and she was good at this time but as time continued she became more rude and uncertain of herself. She became a caricature of a real agent, not someone that I would want to emulate or want my daughter to do so. I found her sometimes careless in her words and she never really took the lead in anything but always seemed to defer to others. She is no leader and became whiny in some things as well as irritating in other ways to me. I didn't like the way she would talk to unsubs or even sometimes to the families. I found her less diplomatic and more crass as the seasons went on. But she is back so it will be interesting on how they will write for her.
My information about her is from the different shows that I have watched her in. Sometimes I wonder where some of the people on this chat get their ideas about the characters because I don't always see and hear what they see.
Gary, that is terrible of CBS but I think the showrunners at CM are innocent.
I think that believing the showrunners are innocent is a bit naive. If you read Erica Messer's interview with TV Guide it sounds as though the decision to let go of RN was made by the producers, not the network and really, couldn't EM have picked up her cell phone and called to let Rachel know they wouldn't be including her next year?
Also, the showrunners may have been thrown a curve ball last summer, but they are ultimately responsible for what played out on our television screens last year. They really are unimaginative individuals or they were trying really hard to fail so the network would bring the two fired actresses back. I think it's probably a combination of both. They allowed their personal feelings over the situation to bleed into the work. Instead of just focusing on creating 24 awesome stories to tell they spent a great deal of time allowing their dissatisfaction with the decisions that had been made bleed onto the screen.
Also, if the producers and writers had done a good job with the two characters in the first place, the network wouldn't have felt like they were expendable. Let's face it. Outside of Hotch and Reid, no character on this show has been developed well and there is zero continuity with any of them. They just write the character to fit whatever story they are telling this week and if the character needs to suddenly have back story that contradicts back story from previous episodes, then oh well...just deal with it.
I'm not sure why having Erica Messer at the helm as everyone so excited. She's been there all along. What's going to change?
Another day and no coffee yet.
I am shocked but prob'ly should not be at the actions of CBS re: RN. Tamara, I cannot believe the story you related about Anthony Lapaglia: that would have embarrassed him tremendously and seems totally unnecessary. but it is also an extremely negative reflection on CBS as a network. Do any of you know if the other networks hold this practice?
I might think, tho, unless is is some sort of a 'practice' as I said,given the circumstances that RN has had to deal with thru-out her one troubled season at CM, that Erica might have been sympathetic towards her and give her a quick phone call. Even a text. Geez. I am quite disgusted at this and find it a deplorable method of termination; but again, I am a former Human Resource person so I may be seeing things in a much more 'humane' way. I see no reason for it other than sheer tackiness bordering on cruelty.
Chalk it up to Hollywood, I guess, but if the rest of the world's workplace worked like that...many of us might become worse than tough...maybe even downright insensitive. Tell me, why do people have to be so cruel? A little kindness goes a long way and I do not understand for the life of me why more people can't practice it.
That's all for now. Until I get some coffee. It's only 7:30 here in sunny SD and feels just like a Monday after the holiday weekend.
BC, when I worked as HR mgr, I used to call these 'double Mondays' because not only did everybody want everything like NOW, most employees suffered from 'holiday hangover.' That's how I feel right now w/o my coffee.
sf81387,
I have the same doubts as you do about Erica Messer and the writers; unless they plan to hire new writers nothing is going to be all that different. I hope I'm wrong and that S7 will make CM fun to watch again.
The thing is Christy, none of us know yet what will play out with the Prentiss character. What were the circumstances of her time at the other agency, how things got to the place that they have, etc. The way that you have perceived Prentiss is not at all the way I see her and the way I am guessing many don't see her here. But to each their own. The point is that in this whole spy arc storyline which I think was crazy, I didn't like it, people other than Prentiss came out smelling less than anything rosy. Earlier on you called Prentiss "lying," "untrustworthy,""deceitful," well, the same can be said with respect to Hotch and JJ. Not only are they covering up the fact that Prentiss is still alive, Hotch did the grief assessments with the team. It is one thing to have been keeping that under warps this whole time, participating in the funeral, making others think you are grieving, but to be the one to have done the grief assessments, wholy wow! But you know what, instead of automatically jumping to calling Hotch and JJ lying and untrustworthy, I am waiting to see how this whole thing about them knowing and not telling shakes out next season. Because just as Hotch and JJ, Prentiss has always proven herself someone that the team can rely on and trust, that is what is going to cause the most amount of pain for the team with regard to Hotch, JJ and Prentiss is the fact that they see them in that trustworthy light.
I hope season 7 can get back to the earlier seasons standards.
I would have a time jump that explains Seaver left to join Andi Swanns team and the JJ and Rossi conversation in the finale being about helping out Hotch while Strauss is away. JJ comes back while still working with state so she can be in touch with Prentiss.
By the end of the first epsiode of season 7 Strauss returns and Hotch
is back in his office as team leader and he gets JJ to stay with the BAU.
The next episode JJ tells him Doyle's dead and she's bringing Prentiss back. Prentiss deals with coming out of hiding for a few epsiode's while the team is pissed at JJ and Hotch.
The team get over it and get back to work. There can be some charatcer stuff like;
JJ has some home troubles with Will not wanting he to go back to the BAU but he sticks around to look after Henry and JJ stays independent. (Ialways liked how they didn't need to get married, plus Will is kind of creepy :S)
Hotch admits he's seeing a shrink because of everything that has happened. Seriously that character has been through a lot.
Reid's headaches get explained.
Rossi ex wife visits and we get some snarky Rossi
Morgan has trust issues but helps Prentiss through whatever trauma and Garcia and Kevin live happily ever after.
With all that thread through season 7, the team concentrate on interesting cases,without anymore spy drama,which higlight indivudlas strengths and specialities and the odd reference to past cases or situations just to make it feel as though there is continuity.
I feel for RN but the character wasn't working for me. Glad AJC and PB are coming back I'm just waiting for TG to be back now :D
Ok rant over, just had to get that off my chest!
Teresa H. and sf81387, agree here too. Unless new good writers are hired, writers in the vein as the old writers, nothing much will change writing wise which will be a shame considering we are very close to getting the team back together. These characters and the actors who play them are up to the task but they need good scripts to be able to carry it through.
sf81387 said...
"Also, if the producers and writers had done a good job with the two characters in the first place, the network wouldn't have felt like they were expendable."
This is not entirely true. The reason they got rid of the two female characters, for one, is so that it align it with the spin-off. Second, they wanted to cut back costs and unfortunately for AJ and Paget, that meant getting rid of them to then hire an actress that they could pay a lower salary to. CBS has a deplorable history when it comes to actresses. Sure, part of that is that there seems to be more of a fanbase for the male CM characters, but as the network soon learned, AJ and Paget's characters were not chop liver and their little experiment in the shape of the Seaver character did not work. Signing back AJ and picking up Paget's option are evidence of that for had the Seaver character worked out, the only thing AJ and Paget's characters on CM would have probably been doing is maybe making some guest appearances on the show, if, the price for that guest appearance would have been low enough for the network to consider.
sf81387, you bring up some very good points. I admittedly don't know very much about how things happen in showbiz. I also am a bit naive in general. And apparently, I didn't read the tv guide article all that well to not have picked up on that. I guess I assumed EM was innocent because to me it would be unthinkable to know something like that and not have the courtesy to tell your coworker/friend. I guess none of us know what happened really. Maybe she knew but was instructed by CBS not to sayanything. The entire situation was horrible for everyone involved starting with last summer's events (AJ & PB).
I do agree that the writing needs to be kicked up a notch or two and cleaned up.
gubegirl said...
"I am shocked but prob'ly should not be at the actions of CBS re: RN. Tamara, I cannot believe the story you related about Anthony Lapaglia: that would have embarrassed him tremendously and seems totally unnecessary. but it is also an extremely negative reflection on CBS as a network. Do any of you know if the other networks hold this practice?"
I have heard stories about the other networks doing this sort of thing. This is something that unfortunately is not CBS specific. Hollywood works outside of the normal HR stuff that you are probably use to dealing with gubegirl. They know that there are thousands of actors and actresses that want a bite out of the fame apple and will do and put up with a lot to get just a taste. Network and movie execs by and large are not warm and fuzzy people who are concerned about the feelings of the people they hire on. They are bottom line, brass tax people who get what they want pushed to the forefront at any cost. That and they are master's at speaking out of the both sides of their mouth like Tassler. Anyone who intends to play on Hollywood turf better shield up because sooner or later they are going to come smack dab in the center of this sort of treatment, which by the way also goes on in the music industry. There are way too many stories to share of artists that have been screwed in the music biz. Of those that are still around, they have shielded up, learned the rules of the game, and have assembled people around them that can play the game. In that article with AJ, she herself said that this experience taught her a lot that she has grown and is no longer the naive girl from Canada.
The TV, movie, and music industry are places where one learns to develop a tough skin, for if they don't, they will get chewed up and spit out and in the end up leaving the business because the business is not changing it has operated since almost day one. They know they are tangling the keys that people want to grab at.
Gubegirl - i agree with you re how inhuman (or should it be ahuman) we've become. We've made up new words such as 'redundancies' during the global economic meltdown. These euphemisms don't make it any better.
Agree with SF and others on the writing. They really need to get it together and stop making up stories on the fly.
On a side note, TG has been awfully quiet on twitter after his RN-related tweets.
Glad you're back, Paget! :)
Now we need my main man, HOTch to be re-signed too!
NO HOTCH/TG, NO CM.
NO HOTCH, NO WATCH.
Jessica, I woouldn't doubt it that ABC Studios and/or CBS told Erica Messer to be quiet with regard to what was going to happen to RN. Erica Messer is an employee of these people, not the one that is calling all of th shots. Yes, she has been hired to run the show, but the running of the show is done within the parameters set up by ABC Studios and CBS. Erica Messer can give suggestions and request certain things but she can't go off on her own and do anything without their approval, not if she still wants to be employed as the showrunner.
Sorry for all of my typos everyone.
I really don't think i can support this show anymore after hearing about how RN was let go. It is just horrible.
If that is the case Peter, you would have stopped watching the show from when they let AJ go because her situation wasn't much better and that was after being on the show for years.
Peter: They did it to A.J. , they did it to Paget. They did it to the entire cast of Without a Trace. Why would you be so shocked that they did it to R.N.? I'm not saying it's right its not, but it's not something that came out of left field either.
Wow, I may have to retract my offer to work for anyone in the business, because I am WAY too soft for this kind of stuff. I am the mother hen and a classic enabler...just ask my kids!
Don't like it and think it reeks..I could use many nasty nouns here but won't. You all know the kind I would choose.
Anonymous under Theresa: I think you are right about Emily and you bring up good points worth considering: Hotch and JJ are lying now because they must in the interest of keeping Emily alive and who knows, what Emily was doing, getting involved (romantic relationship even) with Doyle in the first place but as insidious as he is, she must have had a compelling reason.
2nd Anonymous under the first: I like your ideas. Some would not surprise me and tie in nicely with what has gone on before. They are simple, clean and would be satisfying. Prob'ly not what we're going to get, tho', but I hope we get some.
Anonymous under Jessica: It dismays me to think about such unnecessary rude behavior - I don't how much money someone makes, it's just uncalled for. I say, not worth it. But that's me.
And I guess we all might better 'shield up" in time for S-7 so we can be ready for anything they throw our way!
Could you anonymouses pls use some initials/#'s or something if you do not want to give yourself a screen name? It's very hard to scroll up & down looking for your post and trying to respond. Just an idea. I'm full of 'em!
Anonymous re: typos: whichever one you are - we all make 'em (I call it TTF), and sometimes taking the time and going back and editing over and over like I do costs you so much time, that during business hours with a lively convo going on here, the entire subject could have changed by the time you get your post on there! Makes you feel kinda bozo-like, like the party left without you. LOL.
For me, this goes back to what LaShawna wrote earlier,
"This is par for the course in how the network executives act in CBS. Is it right? No, but there is ample precedence for it. If CBS couldn't show courtesy to AJ and Paget who worked on that show for years and were fan favorites, why would they do it for Rachel?"
I am not saying that this is good business practice, but it is what CBS and other networks do. It is not correct but to be up in arms about it means that you will not watch any TV show or movie ever because I can guarantee you that the same sort of thing has happened on other shows and movies. It is porobably going on now as I type. Rachel Nichols is not exempt from what has happened to many people in the industry. This is perhaps the first time she has been stung, or maybe the first time being stung in such a public way, but she'll have to get over it if she wants to keep going in Hollywood. It's not right but it is the way Hollywodd works and that shouldn't really be a surprise to anyone being that Hollywood is notorious for this type of behavior. As an RN fan (I'm assuming that Peter is an RN fan because if it is the action that has him mad then this not watching the show anymore would have started the day after AJ's last episode) you can be disappointed by it and decide what kind of action you want to take personally, if any, because of it like for instance not watching the show anymore, but then you'd be hard pressed to find any show or movie where someone has gone through this. The wheels of Hollywood will keep on spinning.
Also, honestly, the character wasn't working out. By that I am not saying that people did not enjoy the character, but I think the writing was on the wall when they got AJ back. The fact that they got AJ back was a big sign that things were not going well for the Seaver character and with getting Paget back, that was the end of that. I didn't like the character so I can't say that I am upset about her not appearing season 7. I'm happy that both AJ and Paget are coming back to CM as I think they should have never been let go to then insert a character that for me was just wrong for the show. I think, or let me say, hope, that the network learned that if it isn't broken then don't break it to then have to turn around and try to fix it. I really hope this has gotten into their brains especially considering the fact that there is still no word on Thomas Gibson.
Gubegirl, it is not only the Anonymouses with typos, I think I created a new word, "porobably," LOL..
Velandra, that was my point too. The action was not right but it was something that has been done before on other shows/actors, and as related to CM, with both AJ and Paget. There is nothing about RN that would put her outside of the possibility of that sort of treatment in an industry that has a history of doing this to men and women, child actors too. Hollywood is not for every one. I certainly couldn't hang in such an environment, but the reality is that is the environment and it is not going to change.
christyzackman said:
Emily did not work for Interpol, she worked for the CIA. As Gideon once said, CIA agents are the best liars in the world. Emily is very good at lying and it is no surprise that she doesn't like liars because of her past job in the CIA. It is probably why she wanted out of the agency, she got tired of lying and being lied to by her companions and bosses.
Yes, she does have friends in Interpol but they were friends from her time in the CIA and quite possibly from her childhood years. Her parents are diplomats and probably has had dealings with Interpol during their careers. It is no surprise that Emily would know people there. But that does not mean that she worked as one of them. She was an American CIA agent, not an international Interpol agent.
The team should have questions and problems with her in that is she as truthful as she can be with them. Her first day when she introduced herself to Hotch, she lied. How many other lies did she express to the team. We have heard many things from her but how truthful are they. I think that many of them are truthful because of her desire to put her lying and deceitful syp days behind her. She wants to trust and believe in the people around her and wants them to do the same with her but I hope it does take a little time of adjustment in knowing that she is alive and whether any thing she says about herself and her feelings are honest.
She is good at deceiving, it helps sometimes in dealing with unsubs but does she also do that with her 'family'. That is the question to ask yourself.
christyzackman,
I looked this up on numerous sites to make sure and this is what I found.
From Yahoo TV
Emily Prentiss has hidden her Interpol undercover op from the BAU team on "Criminal Minds" for quite some time. Hotchner knew of her working with Interpol before coming to work at the FBI. He did not know the details of what she had done at that agency.
From Wikipedia
Late in the sixth season, Agent Prentiss is notified by her former superiors at Interpol that a man named Ian Doyle has escaped from prison in Russia. In "Coda", Prentiss enlists two former Interpol colleagues in hunting Doyle. Tsia Mosely, one of her Interpol colleagues, gets shot in the head by Doyle while visiting someone (episode "Valhalla"). At the end of that episode, Prentiss sneaks out of a meeting in order to save her BAU colleagues from Doyle.
From Criminal Minds Caps
Before she worked for the BAU, she worked for Interpol. Interpol uses something the BAU doesn’t, which is infiltration. This is like when the team goes undercover, the main difference being that Interpol uses their agents to get close to the lives of the criminals they want to catch. And they will be undercover for as long as it takes to get the task done. Emily was assigned to Ian Doyle. JJ mentioned in the episode “Lauren” that Interpol chose Emily due to Doyle’s romantic preferences. Intimacy was the most efficient way to get Doyle in the eyes of Interpol, and that is exactly what she did.
Then I looked up Interpol since in previous episodes it said that Emily has worked for the FBI for ten years but the Doyle situation was eight years ago. (of course when has continuity mattered to the writers) Anyway, I discovered that Interpol operates under four official languages, Arabic, English, French and Spanish, all of which Emily speaks and that 1/3 of the staff are either seconded or detatched from their national law enforcement administrations, so Emily may have worked for the FBI, but because of her ability with languages and the fact that she was Doyle's "type" she may have been seconded to Interpol for that mission. That sounds entirely feasable. I found no mention of her being with the CIA.
I found no mention of her being with the CIA.
I haven't rewatched "Lauren", but wasn't it implied that Emily was working for the CIA? Wasn't that why they need JJ and her State Department connections, so that she could open some top secret CIA files? Wasn't that part of the conversation between Clyde and Hotch? Hotch reads comments from Clyde when they sold Emily to the FBI under the ruse that she'd come from Interpol. That was the impression I got from the episode anyway. That Emily and Clyde and the others were CIA operatives, but by the time they'd surfaced in the real world they'd been given fake pasts to go along with their new jobs.
I could be misremembering though. It was all such a silly, contrived and convoluted mess that Emily could've been the ruler of some obscure country for all I know.
I find many sites that have 'information' about the show to be inaccurate and written by people who are not that observant. The files that Emily took out of her safe during her three arc episodes were CIA files not Interpol. There was a line during the show that mentioned her working for the CIA not for Interpol. Hotch asked her to talk to her friends at Interpol, friends do necessarily mean former employers or former co-workers. I do not believe that the others in the team that she was on in France with Doyle were members of Interpol, I believe they were also CIA operatives that have retired. That is what the files in her safe said, the ones that had many blackened sentences in them. It is this that I go by not information from other sites. But what I remember from watching the episodes in question.
On a side note, TG has been awfully quiet on twitter after his RN-related tweets.
Apparently he's got gas. ; )
Pat although your correct if you look up Interpol on their website it is for foreign European countries only. Rarely is it that Americans join. As JJ said when telling her team about Emily's past she couldn't give Emily's full CIA history which means she worked for the CIA. Also JJ states that Emily, Clyde, and Tsia were part of a task force which profiled terrorists which consisted of the CIA and western agencies picking their best and brightest to assemble it.
Clyde was part of M-16
Tsia was part of Frances DCRI, Jeremy was part of Germanys B&D and Emily was CIA
Haha and thanks SF - just saw his latest tweet. That man seems to be a nutter, in more ways than many. Also 'gas' reminds me of Hotch smiling. A moment of great timing.
CIA/Interpol - who knows - i'm just curious how the writers are going to write themselves out of the million corners they have half-inherited and half created. They could make a monumental mess of it. Was watching S2 episode 2. I miss the good old days, i do.
CIA, Interpol.. what the hell does it matter? She worked in a different agency prior to coming to the BAU that up until season 6 was never mentioned before. The story will shape up from that point and hopefully have a swift resolution. Going back to what someone else said though, if there is going to be this pressure put on Prentiss, then it has got to be put on Hotch and JJ too. They are not white doves in this situation either but I am not throwing out what I have grown to like about their characters because they went along with hiding the truth and deceiving the others as to the fact that Prentiss is alive.
If you didn't like Prentiss, Hotch or JJ up to this point, I doubt these actions will endear them to you. I do like all of them even though I don't like how they have been written in season 6. I will wait to see what happens season 7 with them. I'm hoping they get some good writers in there because it is going to take some good writing to get them out of this ditch.
While I am excited for the return of the JJ and Prentiss characters, it's all moot unless the writing on this show drastically improves. This past season was a joke. More often times than not I found myself laughing out loud at what were supposed to be serious/intense scenes. If I didn't know better because of previous seasons, I would have thought all the regular cast members were horrible actors. I also place the blame of the development of the Ashley Seaver character solely on the writers. Rachel Nichols seems to be a very charismatic person in real life and it makes me absolutely adore her but they made her character just flat out intolerable. Of the twenty-something episodes this season, I thought maybe three were good and that's being generous. I hate to be a pessimist but unless the writing improves in season 7, I may just be watching the show on mute (I mean, they're still pretty after all).
Okay, sorry if I'm misinformed even though I did look it up on numerous sites and Interpol itself, I guess I somehow got it all wrong although I did copy and paste them as written. I bow to everyone else's expertise in these matters, since I'm not an American. I just wonder why they'd even mention Interpol if nobody was in Interpol in the first place? Why didn't they just say CIA. But, if Emily worked for the CIA, as it now appears, then everything she did would likely be classified and she was likely not able to tell them about it. I'd also think that she wouldn't want to share what she knew about Doyle. I wonder if she felt that the less they knew, the less danger they'd be in. Maybe that's how they'll explain bringing her back, that the fact that she wasn't really dead was on a "need to know" basis and they didn't. I'm probably wrong about that too.
I apologize for screwing up so regally. I'll just stick to my opinion in future and not do research.
A show is nothing without good writing!!!! People are fighting for this or that character to be on the show and I get that. I was fighting for and hoping that they would get the JJ and Prentiss characters back and that they get Gibson a contract soon so that the Hotch character will be back. Sorry but the Seaver character was a major fail for me and I am glad that character is no longer on the show. Provided that CBS gets its act together and signs on Gibson, it will be an exercise in futility if the writing is as abysmal as it has been throughout season 6. I hope along with all of the passion to get people on the show, there is a passion to get the writing up to speed because if not it will be a sad sight to see.
yes Peter these cast shake ups is a disgrace and now this has happened to another woman on the show. There is more drama behind the scenes then on the show that is not right. I really will not support a show that treats their actors and actresses like crap. This is the last straw for me.
It's Okay Pat. But do keep up with your opinion because those other 'research' places are more inaccurate than accurate. We true fans go by what we see in the episodes and such not by the critics or opinion writers. They are usually wrong. Most entertainment writers and such (like in Entertainment weekly, etc.) are normally inaccurate in many ways. Always read that stuff with a grain of disbelief and watch the episodes themselves to gain the truth and your own views on the subject. I look forward to reading more of your insights.
I just wonder why they'd even mention Interpol if nobody was in Interpol in the first place? Why didn't they just say CIA.
Because working for Interpol isn't a big deal, being a CIA operative is a big deal and most often top secret. Emily's backgroud was supposedly with Interpol as far as Hotch knew.
But, if Emily worked for the CIA, as it now appears, then everything she did would likely be classified and she was likely not able to tell them about it.
Exactly, which is why they had no idea about her past.
I'd also think that she wouldn't want to share what she knew about Doyle. I wonder if she felt that the less they knew, the less danger they'd be in.
That's pretty much what played out on screen. She was afraid for the team's safety so instead of telling them about Doyle she left to deal with him alone.
Maybe that's how they'll explain bringing her back, that the fact that she wasn't really dead was on a "need to know" basis and they didn't. I'm probably wrong about that too.
That's pretty much the general idea I think. Hotch and JJ can't tell the others she's alive because it would not only put Emily in danger, but it would put all of them in danger as well.
Sorry for sounding like an ass pat. I really didn't mean 2, I've just watched "Lauren" a million times so I know that episode pretty well. And I'm an international studies major so that's my future career hopefully so I try and stay informed about that kinda stuff so I'm sorry if I offender you in my post.
On a side note, TG has been awfully quiet on twitter after his RN-related tweets.
Apparently he's got gas. ; )
Why have they not gotten this man back on board for Season 7 yet??!! The difference between his real life personality and Hotch is proof alone of his acting capacities. He has done great work on this show and for CBS/ABC for 6 years!! Please CBS/ABC/Erica/Whomever, just get the deal done. Because even with AJC and PB back, you are going to lose many viewers if you don't get TG to return for Season 7.
And while you're at it, please get some good writers as well. Since you happen to be on a "restoration" kick, why not hire back some of the old/previous writers too?
Thanks!
sf81387 said.
"That's pretty much the general idea I think. Hotch and JJ can't tell the others she's alive because it would not only put Emily in danger, but it would put all of them in danger as well."
I too guess that is what the writers had in mind when they wrote the storyline. But I don`t see why if others knew would put Emily more in danger as when only JJ and Hotch know. I also don`t see why it puts the others more in danger when they know that she is alive. They are all profis and know how to keep a secret. I actually think Hotch and JJ knowing is a worse idea than the others knowing. Hotch and JJ both have a kid and I don`t think Doyle would hesitate to use their kids to get his son back. I really wonder if the writers have planned a storyline about Doyle trying to find his son (I hope not), because otherwise I don`t get why they had Prentiss telling him that Declan is alive.
I think there will be tension between Emily and the others when she is back , but I hope and think it will not be for long. There should be more problems between the rest of the team and JJ and Hotch. Specially between them and Hotch. He did the grief assessments. He looked them in the eyes(well, most of the time), he saw their grief and still did not trust them enough to tell them the truth. I don`t think I would forgive him that easily.
But I don`t see why if others knew would put Emily more in danger as when only JJ and Hotch know. I also don`t see why it puts the others more in danger when they know that she is alive. They are all profis and know how to keep a secret.
Knowing Emily is alive would mean that they know the secret. And profilers or not, the general rule of thumb is that the more people that know a secret, the greater the risk that the secret will get out.
Cheetobreath said,
"And while you're at it, please get some good writers as well. Since you happen to be on a "restoration" kick, why not hire back some of the old/previous writers too?"
YES!!!! Please, this is what
the show desperately needs beyond the restoration of the team.
Zagi said,
"I think there will be tension between Emily and the others when she is back , but I hope and think it will not be for long. There should be more problems between the rest of the team and JJ and Hotch. Specially between them and Hotch. He did the grief assessments. He looked them in the eyes(well, most of the time), he saw their grief and still did not trust them enough to tell them the truth. I don`t think I would forgive him that easily."
It was bad enough that he was keeping the secret of Prentiss being alive from the team, him doing the grief assesmments, that may be the deal breaker with some of the characters. Eventually, I hope they come to a place of forgiveness and ability to trust again in Hotch, JJ and Prentiss but it is not going to be easy and it NECESSITATES good writing!
I think that the person Hotch may have the hardest time with is Rossi. Generally, Rossi is pretty easy going and forgiving, but the fact that a man he has known and has worked with for years, a man whom he has confided in, a man whom he has shared his pain and grief with and in turn has been there to share in his (Hotch's) pain and grief, the thought that he (Rossi) was trustworthy enough for this man (Hotch) to confide in him, that is going to be one hell of a blow.
JJ is not going to be immune to this either, although, I think she will get it more from Reid, Garcia and Morgan.
I think that if TG doesn't sign a contract pretty soon, Hotch won't be part of the "ZOMG!!! You lied to us!!!" melodrama because at some point the writers have to move on without the Hotch character. They can write him back in later if he decides to come back at the zero hour.
sf81387 said:
I think that if TG doesn't sign a contract pretty soon, Hotch won't be part of the "ZOMG!!! You lied to us!!!" melodrama
I'm sorry, but this just made me LOL. Thanks for the laugh! :)
I really hope it doesn't take that long, but it is a serious issue they are negotiating. That said, really CBS? Don't shoot yourselves in the foot again and nullify all the restoring you've done. CM without Hotch would be big fat NO THANKS for me.
I think that Reid and Garcia would just be so happy to know that Emily is still alive that they would quickly forgive JJ and Hotch. heh.
Christine…I’m thinking Rossi would be the one guy who would be sympathetic to the anguish this secret caused Hotch. It’s Morgan I’m concerned about; he can be hot headed and quick to judge.
Rosie said...
"Knowing Emily is alive would mean that they know the secret. And profilers or not, the general rule of thumb is that the more people that know a secret, the greater the risk that the secret will get out."
Im get that the less people know the better, but why do Hotch and JJ then have to know. Why did the CIA, the FBI or whoever took care of Prentiss`disappearance have to tell them. Hotch and JJ are both not in a high enough position to have arranged the disappearance. So if they know, the rest of the team should also know. But no matter what, I would not be pleased that Hotch did not trust me enough to keep the secret.
@Christine
Yes, Hotch doing the grief assessments that is the main problem I have with the whole situation. He watches their grief and knows they are only grieving because of a lie. And they trust him with their grief and will eventually find out that he was lying to them all the time. He should have let somebody else do the grief assessments.
I'm thinking Rossi wouldn't be overly affected by the news either. He's a grisled old FBI agent who typically shoots from a place of sensibility, not emotion.
I can see them being upset at first, but they aren't high school kids, they are adult professionals who have been doing a job that requires secrecy at all costs for years. I think playing the drama out beyond a few scenes would be overkill. It's unrealistic to me that a group of highly skilled and trained professionals would pull the "ZOMG! You had a big fat secret and didn't tell me too! How could you?!" card. They will know why it had to be that way. I think being upset initially would be a normal reaction, holding on to the anger and taking it to the point of feeling like they should have trust issues would be on the childish side.
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