CRIMINAL MINDS: THOMAS GIBSON STILL HAS NO CONTRACT. NERVOUS??
Criminal Minds: As of 10:25am CST today Thomas Gibson, according to his manager, still has no contract. Does it make you nervous that the CBS upfronts are tomorrow and Thomas Gibson still has no contract?
The SVU disaster definitely gives me a bad feeling and Minds is more of an ensemble. So they have 5/6 people to fall back upon, especially ones as popular as MGG, JM, SM, KV, AJC, AS and PB (if she comes back). So not sure they're going to try very hard for TG. I hope they do, but hope's rapidly becoming a fragile little twig for me :-(
I won't just shrug and move on either. I'm livid. And fans DO have some say... just ask AJ and PB. So until we all know for sure, I really wish the nee-sayers come realists would maintain some semblance of fight.
Great Hotch quote and moment, Eleven. All I can say to CBS is: TG's fans are staying with him until he's ready. Should you let him walk, his fans will follow right behind him. So please get him to sign on the dotted line!!
Eeeeks! Unit Chief JJ. Man, way to kill two characters with one stone - on the other hand, JJ and Hotch look nothing alike :-D i'm just kidding in reference to AJC's interview. I'm sure things haven't been finalised; so am not rumour mongering.
I don't know what to do with myself during this summer of discontent. I have contemplated contemplating on the nature and meaning of life, I have procrastinated re my procrastination issues, I have rationalised my greatly disproportionate feelings about contracts being signed/not signed by a person I don't know, I've thought - fleetingly - about getting a life, I've mulled over consuming an entire jar, or two, of chocolate spread in half an hour, I've underplayed my visions of suicidal mania, I've thought about getting a cat/or having a baby, but nope nothing will stop the frazzling.
Dear Unknown Person I'm Stalking on Twitter,
Please put me out of my misery. Thank you.
Yours sincerely, Frazzling Fanlunatic with No Post-Hotch Plans
Come on TEAM No TG/Hotch = NO CM for me!! How about trying something fun (ok maybe just a way to pass time) to show our support for Thomas/Hotch and Paget/Emily; because we want Criminal Minds to be great for Season 7!!
I believe us fans can unite as EXTREME AGGRESSORS; we can let CBS/ABC studios know that we have a COMPULSION for Thomas & Paget and we WON’T BE FOOLED AGAIN with this contract nonsense. It’s actually in PLAIN SIGHT that Criminal Minds 7th year would be very bad luck much like a BROKEN MIRROR without our Hotch. The BAU’s ability to capture those L.D.S.K. vermin would be thwarted without THE FOXy charms of Prentiss. Our nation, our world is full of NATURAL BORN KILLERs and we need our whole team to take them down.
Producers/Writers please don’t allow yourselves to become DERAILED; THE POPULAR KIDS (that’s us) are BLOOD HUNGRY for a tremendously awesome Season 7; not another season of WHAT FRESH HELL we endured this year. Do away with the POISON of Ashley Seaver; we understand your need to RIDE THE LIGHTNING but hey it didn’t work. You have lots of UNFINISHED BUSINESS to deal with in Season 7; JJ’s return, Emily being alive and quickly resolve Reid’s headaches please. THE TRIBE has spoken; we want Criminal Minds to return to the grand magnificence of Seasons 1, 2, 3, 4 and the first ½ of 5.
A REAL RAIN of power needs to take place to be sure that SOMEBODY’S WATCHING next year and for that we need the MACHISMO of Hotch, Morgan, Rossi and Reid. It’s not nice to CHARM & HARM your fans with SECRETS AND LIES; we all remember the wonderful fiction of THE FISHER KING and we arev anticipating much more of the same.
OK, that’s Season One, anyone care to carry on with Season Two?
I didn't know who Rachel Nichols was until she became a regular on Criminal Minds. I knew who the others were. I remembered Thomas from Dharma and Greg, Paget as Kathy in Friends, Shemar was always familiar though I'd never seen any of his works, AJ in the Virgin Suicides and Final Destination2, Joe as Fat Tony from the Simpsons. MGG and Kirsten just started out with CM, so can't say much about them, but they instantly won me over with their quirky characters and exemplary performances. I do think they're both more popular than Rachel Nichols.
Eleven, I can idintify with you completely. I've actually had to stop following/stalking this unknown person on Twitter to preserve a little bit of my sanity. While I will miss TG a lot if he doesn't come back and the writing would have to be so much better than it's been to keep me watching, I have no sense here of Thomas being a victim. I think he holds lots of cards and if the negotiations don't work out it will be his decision as much as that of CBS
Teresa H - i'm not thinking of TG as a victim either. I probably blamed CBS for a while because of their incredible (!!!) decisions this year. But i accept that negotiations need two parties. And if it IS about money, i'm not going to be sanctimonious and say 'oh god, TG is greedy' (silly argument and completely unnecessary. "Dear Employer, please give me a higher salary" wot's wrong with that, eh?). If it is about family time, that's a whole another thing! Anything else - it is ultimately their business (in more ways than one) and they will deal with it as they deem fit.
I'm coming from an extremely selfish place of wanting the Hotch character to grace my screen for ever, which is absurd anyway. So it will happen at some point even if it doesn't happen this year. It's just that my heart says it's too soon. I'm not ready yet to let him go :-) but fat lot of good that's going to do in moving along the negotiations in the 'right' direction.
How in the world did you manage to stop stalking Unknown Person? I really need to know so i can get back to The Real Mr Dimples (Hubs, who's feeling pretty ignored at the mo. eeeks).
I don't get it, if Thomas Gibson wants to come, like he has stated many time for the fans and CBS is willing to give pay raises, like Shemar's doubled salary, what is taking so long?
Please, TG and CBS, end the fan's torture and let's be done with all this behind the scenes drama! It's taking over the show now.
I was also thining of my Little Hotch Moments today. Already stated the one in 'Ashes and Dust'. i love the little gulp when he calls Morgan in S3 Ep 2 right after the 'blank call' scene, the 'what?' in 'the eyes have it', the breaking eye contact right after he tells Haley that she is a great mother in 'nameless faceless' as if he immediately thinks 'i'm not a great father', the almost total lack of eye contact with Strauss in '100', the fleeting internal debate with himself you see on his face when he asks Strauss 'would you...do you want to talk about it?' in S6 ep21, his face when Ms Daniels asks him in 'pleasure is my business" - 'do you want to buy a house'? Oh so many moments! I love TG's Hotch what can i say (just as i love the volatile potrayal of Boyd by Trevor Eve in 'waking the dead' at least in the first few seasons).
Eleven, So we also have Trevor Eve in common. I loved Waking the Dead Sometimes his character got a little too nuts and was cruel to his team. Something our wonderful Hotch has never been, even when angry with someone. I just had to go cold turkey with Unknown Person on Twitter, the temptation is still there though. Would cold showers work?
Trevor Eve, yay, but he was meant to be played that way. I'm sure he could be the other extreme if needed, as much as i believe TG could go nuts as Hotch if pushed or if the characterisation called for that. I love both these characters for very different reasons. And LOVE the actors. (Also adore Warren Clarke's Dalziel in Dalziel and Pascoe.) I could actually go on about my fav detectives for ever! Don't like Inspector Linley, though, much as i pant over Elizabeth George because that series without the character of Simon St James is just rubbish.
Cold showers - how many allowed per day without jeopardising my health?
Maybe i should defenestrate my laptop (along with self)?
Sorry for going off the rail, but yeah it started off with thinking about Hotch and therefore TG and then Brit crime drama....oh well.
Unit Chief JJ?? NO. Just. no. no no no no noNO NO NO NO no. NO. I am a huge JJ fan but if they are planning on completely revamping JJ so that we no longer recognize her then UGH. There wasn't anything wrong with JJ. The fans loved her just the way she was. It was the suits that didn't appreciate her. OK, make a few changes and improvements. But please. We love JJ as the compassionate heart of the team. Don't turn her into Strauss and don't turn her into Hotch. And as others have said, do not use JJ as the latest ploy for the Seaver character.
MFJ: Fantastic idea!!
Eleven: Love all those Hotch moments. TG is the master at subtle yet powerful acting.
JJ as unit chief...That will never work. Derek as unit chief yes but JJ... To bad the powers that be didn't make Derek the unit chief for Season 6 and spin Thomas Gibson off into the 2nd CM series by taking Strauss's job...Maybe then the powers that be wouldn't have to cancel the 2nd series and wouldn't waste sooooo much money on overpaid actor like Forest Whittaker, who is the sole reason I didn't watch Suspect Behavior...
They already tried Derek as Unit Chief and it was awful. JJ as Unit Chief would be ridiculous. Hotch is the only belieavable Unit Chief, anyone and everything else is and would be just a sad imitation.
As for JJ, they just need to bring the character back as she was. I wouldn't put much stock in anything that's being said right now. The showrunners and the actors always spin great tales of what's to come and it never materializes. I'm guessing the same will happen with the reintroduction of JJ. They couldn't even handle bringing her back for one scene without completely blowing it and making it so stupid it overshadowed what was actually a pretty decent episode so the odds that they could pull off a character transformation in a believable fashion are slim.
Here's an idea. How about the showrunners and writers go back and study seasons 1 thru 4, commit it to memory and then create 24 new episodes based on what was once a very successful formula and stop trying to change things up.
Aww, that's nice. I bet he scrolls through a barrage of desperate pleas for him to PUULLEEAASSEEE come back every time he pulls up his twitter account. LOL
IMO the ratings trend should be analyzed in addition to the overall average. If it started off high with a steady decline and ended up low, I think that is a big indication that should be taken into account.
sf81387 - i actually like derek as the unit chief but I do admit it was weird that derek was telling what hotch to do. didn't really work but if hotch was still the boss in strauss's position i think it would work. but that's just me...
cmffan - thanks for posting tg's tweet here as i haven't been on twitter for awhile...good to know he is still working on coming back next season. i just hope cbs doesn't screw it up...
No, Maria is right. The last few episodes had a good decline, with the finale being down to 3.3. Things don't decline that fast due to DVR/downloading (which, BTW has been around for a while, another reason the decline is not attributable to DVR/downloading). I think the decline in the last few episodes is an indication of fans dissatisfaction. Die-hard fans, to be exact. I know quite a few fans that used to obsess and talk about the show all day but now have completely stopped watching because of all the cast changes and Seaver. I think it would be in the show's best interest to ditch Seaver and get TG and PB back.
oh yes it is, it is not just CM that is down year to year. Even Idol keeps droping. Glee is dropping like a brick as well. DH is dropping every single show is dropping. It has nothing to do who is on the cast.
Here is my attempt at Season Two. It's not as clever as yours and sorry I couldn't think of how to fit in Profiler, Profiled.
I say, enough with all the PSYCHODRAMA behind the scenes! It has filled me with nothing but FEAR AND LOATHING at the idea that the suits at CBS/ABC don't have their LESSONS LEARNED from the AJ/PB debacle. Though I guess AJ Cook got to have THE LAST WORD in that whole ordeal. Good for her!
If tptb let TG walk, the AFTERMATH would be horrific! My television world would become nothing but an EMPTY PLANET, leaving me JONESing for my Hotch fix. I might be so filled with desperation and feelings of NO WAY OUT that I may declare OPEN SEASON on tptb!! Just kidding. Maybe. But really, why are they balking at TG's contract requests? Is there no HONOR AMONG THIEVES? All of this prolonged Behind-the-scenes drama and waiting has filled me with DISTRESS and feelings of NO WAY OUT, PART II. TPTB would be asking for THE PERFECT STORM from all of TG's fans. Here is to hoping that tptb have a few insightful REVELATIONS and give TG the contract he would sign. After all, we all have better things to do, like watch and enjoy THE BIG GAME.
There are only 4 sure things in life: SEX, BIRTH, DEATH... and HOTCH!! Without him, who will lead the team in protecting us from THE BOOGEYMAN and THE FISHER KING?? If Hotch doesn't come back, I am going to be tempted to burn my TV until it is nothing but ASHES AND DUST.
But should TG decide he's ready to move on, what a wonderful LEGACY he will have left behind with his work. Well done, good sir!! Maybe then he could take a well-deserved vacation to NORTH MAMMON, skiing the slopes of P911.
Thomas Gibson saying he is hopeful about coming back doesn't sound too hopeful coming from him. Didn't he used to say he wanted to come back and not he hopes which does not sound good. If hew was even close to signing a deal I think he would have said something but he said still working on it. Sounds like they aren't even close to coming to terms and its almost June. I don't think what Thomas said even helped the situation. I am preparing for him to leave.
Audrey - only 4 sure things in life - LOL LOL LOL. i'd add coffee but that's me. Actually it's the pic of TG with a coffee cup (tie undone - you know the one i'm talking about), which is also my comp wallpaper, that kinda makes the sitch hopeless for me. Now i can't think of Hotch without also thinking of coffee, and i cannot not think of coffee, so..... Hmmmmmm....my life just gets increasingly complicated. Anon above, who knows what anything means, but he was sweet enough to say SOMETHING about the THING HE CANNOT TALK ABOUT. So maybe we should take it as the only form of reassurance he can offer his fans at the mo.
I think that Thomas Gibson taking the time to write on twitter that the negociations are still going on was just him reassuring his fans. I don't know him personally, but he looks to me like a nice man enough to just do that without having to receive directives from his "boss" to do so.
Anon, SUV and CM are different networks so not the same "boss". TG has also been previously outspoken, so I hightly doubt anyone is telling him what to say. He doesn't have an agent tweeting on his behalf.
I'm just glad the door isn't shut and they're still talking. Thomas, pleeeease come back, won't watch without Hotch. :(
I too think TG is quite the diplomat. Saying they were all stunned at AJ's firing was hardly being outspoken. That's the only statement from him, that I know about, which even comes close. Perhaps others are more up to speed on this.
And I agree with those who have said TG is diplomatic. And also caring at the same time. Maybe he should go into politics next. TG for President!! Just kidding!
I think it would be best for the show if CBS gets TG to stay. And of course it would be best for us fans for TG to stay. But the only best that is important in this decision is TG and his fam. And we don't know what that is, only TG knows. I wish him all the very best.
Oh for frig's sake, CBS. PLEEEASE sign Thomas Gibson! Its no use giving us AJ & PB back (if PB comes back) if there's no TG to go along with them. ORIGINAL CAST, ALL THE TIME! No Hotch No CM.
This is one drawn out process. TG deserves a raise just like the rest of the CM cast. He's given his all for 6 years, on and off camera and is the reason I watch and the only reason I stuck with a horrible S6. I hope CBS figures out his importance cuz I'm done if there's no Hotch on my screen every week next season. No CM without TG/Hotch!
A big yes to what Caitlin and Amber said! I'd love it if AJ and PB came back. But even if they both come back, if TG doesn't, then I will NOT be watching Criminal Minds!
I know its not June but if its the middle of June and we still don't know about Thomas. This would leave me to believe that he is not coming back. No Hotch No CM for Me
I must admit I was a little confused by Paget’s tweet about Free Will, especially since she’s always had it. CBS has held out the olive branch to her for sometime; and she used the opportunity afforded by the debacle created by the network, to explore pilot options, all the time knowing that the CM fans were supporting her decision, but still hopeful of her return.
I love Paget as if she were one of my girlfriends. I’ll be extremely disappointed if she decides not to return. I clung to the hope that she’ll be gracing my TV screen as Prentiss until CM is no more; but this has been a painful process for both Paget and the fans. If she decides not to come back, we will have mourned the loss of Paget/Prentiss on at least 4 separate occasions.
We mourned her when it was first announced that AJ had been let go and Paget’s episodes had been reduced. We signed petitions, sent letters and emails, and made phone calls; in an attempt to get CBS to rescind its decision.
Even though CBS changed its mind about Paget, she maintained her status and opted to leave CM; so we mourned her loss once again at the end of Lauren as she clandestinely walked away from our view leaving us all pained because we understood it may have been the last time we’d see her if she landed a pilot with another network, making her return to CM impossible.
We mourned her once again when we read the Deadline announcement that Paget had landed an NBC pilot and would leave CM if her pilot was picked up. With every announcement, we held our collective breath and held on to the hope of Paget’s return, but we nervously understood that her happiness may be found elsewhere.
If Paget opts not to return now, I’m not sure how I will feel. There’s no longer the pilot prospect; and the CBS treatment has always been a nonissue for me because most employers aren’t any better. People who work in an industry should understand it, especially if they choose to remain a part of it.
We’ve hung on to the hope of getting Paget back for what seems like an eternity. Now that she’s not encumbered by pilot or process, if she chooses to walk away, I think it will be more hurtful because we’ve hung on for so long. But at least it will be the final time we’ll have to mourn. I mean four times really is way too many times to go through emotional upheaval about a character, even if the person playing the role has come to be like family. We finally will be put out of our misery, and the decision will be Paget’s choice. I’m more pained about what’s happening with Thomas Gibson who has constantly expressed his desire to return to CM and whose potential loss cannot be underscored enough. He for me is simply irreplaceable. So even if Paget were a part of the CM framework, Thomas out of the picture would end my CM viewing.
I’m hoping CBS has dragged this matter out for effect; and that at least by the beginning of next week, we get news that both Thomas and Paget will return. I’ve also been gauging the comments or lack of comments from Jill, the blog owner, who no longer provides updates on Thomas’ contract status. I’m hoping that indicates she knows something and simply is not in a position to share. I’m certain that if she thought Thomas’ CM existence were really in jeopardy, she would have assembled an army by now.
Listen to the fans, CBS, b/c this is true! I refuse to watch another Hotchless CM episode... EVER. So please give TG a contract worth his signing (which should be golden, btw).
Thomas' tweet last week at least told us they are still talking. But I am disgusted at CBS' attitude. They should understand how essential Hotch is to CM, and to the fans. Give this actor a raise (you managed to find $ for the others) and let him go back to work as SAA Hotchner. Anything less and I'm done with CM and CBS.
For me, Thomas Gibson is the best part of Criminal Minds. I just can't imagine the show without Hotch. I will not be watching next season if he is not there.
PAGET IS COMING BACK!! *does cartwheels* Now they just need to sign Thomas Gibson and we are back in business, baby!!!! YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well what can one say about this accept I am a jumpy as a cat on a hot tin roof at the moment with Thomas not having signed anything yet for season 7. To me CM without Hotch is like a fish out of water it just can not survive without it. To me watching CM without Thomas as Hotch in not an option, I think that if he does not sign and leaves the show I will be gone as well. I am a Hotch Honey through and through and I can not bare to think about CM with out our beloved Hotch. Please Thomas do not leave us in the dark much longer with what is happening. We have just got the team back together and to loose you, would be heart breaking.
Glad Paget Brewster is back on Criminal Minds especially since she was treated badly but personally I think CM could have survived without Paget Brewster and AJ Cook. CM cannot survive without Thomas Gibson since he is the one that keeps everyone together. Can't believe he still has not been signed to a new contract....Resigned to accepting that TG will not come back next season......Also why are casts' contracts for only two years anyhow....
No, I'm not nervous. The show wouldn't work without Thomas Gibson. What's probably happening is that he wants a raise and they have to go through all sorts of stuff with the network to make it happen. I mean Shemar Moore got a 50,000 raise per episode, and yes, he's the most attractive, but he's not nearly as ideal as Hotch. If they're giving Moore that huge of a raise, they will undoubtably comply with whatever Gibson wants. I really don't think that CBS would even risk it. They know that he's the glue for the show, so he could ask for almost anything, and they'll basically have to agree.
Another thing is that they ditched Nichols. There's no way they would ax her if they were going to throw away Gibson. CBS has enough money to let Moore get his raise, while still paying everyone else and give Gibson a raise. This happened before Season 4 or 5 too (can't remember which one), but Gibson still came back. Cook came back after all the time away in season 6. It's not always about the money. I think the cast of CM is so close that they'll stay together. I am a bit nervous, but I was nervous about Brewster and Cook too, and both of them signed on again. We'll be fine.
Do you realize what you are doing? i don't think so because you are going to loose a lot of viewers without TG so give us all some good news and resign him please.
To the person who said Morgan as Unit Chief I couldn't disagree more.
Morgan as Unit Chief was awesome, and no, Hotch isn't the only believable Unit Chief. I also disagree with that wholeheartedly, and in fact, I find hum unbelievable at times.
I'd find Rossi to be more believable, and for years, when Mandy was still there, it felt like Gideon was the real Unit Chief.
I've never taken Hotch seriously as an authority figure. The character is just empty to me, IMO. He seems like just another SSA.
I love them all on the show, Prentiss, JJ, Gideon, Elle, Reid, Garcia, Rossi, and Morgan, but Hotch is the one who seems to be my least favorite. I dunno why.
I can't say I'll stop watching the show if he doesn't come back, because I honestly was more concerned about Shemar's contract, which I'm glad he received his well deserved raise, and Derek Morgan is officially set for Season 7! xD
I want Gibson back, but I doubt the whole show depends on him. They will adapt if need be. I just want my family unit back, despite me not being the biggest Hotch fan in the world.
Anyways, I'd love to see Derek step back into the Unit Chief role if need be, or even see Rossi take over with his air of awesomeness.
I'm more of a Season 4 and on fan.
I really couldn't get into Season 1 or 2, although "Profiler, Profiled" happens to be the most amazing episode of the series I've seen to date, the second being "Mayhem."
Anyways, best of luck for TG. We'll see what happens, but I'm on lock for Season 7 whether it turns out good or bad for him.
I'm sorry folks, but Hotch isn't Criminal Minds, not by a long shot.
The show can and will survive without him if need be, and change is always something I welcome.
Anybody can put on a suit and portray a team leader. Shemar, Joe...even Mathew could do it.
Morgan was already Unit Chief, so that would work. Rossi is a veteran, so that would also work.
If they stop Criminal Minds due to Gibson not re-signing, or halt production, that is a direct insult and slap in the face to the rest of the actors to try and paint the show around one actor, when it is an ensemble cast.
It really is what turns me off of Shows.
"The West Wing," was never The Martin Sheen Show. It was an ensemble cast, and nobody's important was underscored, nor was anyone ever left out.
Criminal Minds has given me that impression over the years, but I've done my best to stick with it. Now, they're talking producer's status for Thomas Gibson, and in thinking about when Mark Harmon got it, Mark Harmon became the show, and I was done with it.
If Criminal Minds becomes The Thomas Gibson show for real, I am done with the show. I can't stomach it.
It's completely disrespectful to the other actors, characters, and fans of the other characters and actors.
My comment isn't meant to be disrespectful. It's my opinion.
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«Oldest ‹Older 601 – 683 of 683The SVU disaster definitely gives me a bad feeling and Minds is more of an ensemble. So they have 5/6 people to fall back upon, especially ones as popular as MGG, JM, SM, KV, AJC, AS and PB (if she comes back). So not sure they're going to try very hard for TG. I hope they do, but hope's rapidly becoming a fragile little twig for me :-(
Aww *pats Eleven*.
No Hotch No CM for me!!
I won't just shrug and move on either. I'm livid. And fans DO have some say... just ask AJ and PB. So until we all know for sure, I really wish the nee-sayers come realists would maintain some semblance of fight.
NO HOTCH NO CM and NO CBS!
"I can stay here with you until you're ready...if you like." Just watching "Ashes and Dust" - oh Aaron Hotchner, what will we do without you.
Great Hotch quote and moment, Eleven. All I can say to CBS is: TG's fans are staying with him until he's ready. Should you let him walk, his fans will follow right behind him. So please get him to sign on the dotted line!!
Thomas we looooove you!! Stay or leave we will follow you!!
Anon44 - that was so quintessentially Hotch, especially the 'if you like'. I think i 'got' the character in that moment - BAM - i was lost.
Yeah. Hotch is <3 Beneath that tough external front is a guy who really cares - about his team, the victims... I just can't imagine CM without Hotch.
Eeeeks! Unit Chief JJ. Man, way to kill two characters with one stone - on the other hand, JJ and Hotch look nothing alike :-D i'm just kidding in reference to AJC's interview. I'm sure things haven't been finalised; so am not rumour mongering.
@Eleven. Just saying Rachel is very popular as well to.
Just look at the trending on tvguide,imdb ect..
Rachel should be here to stay along with the rest of the cast they already bonded with her as we can see in interviews and pictures ect..
But they need to sign Gibson or they should cancel the show.
What? Rachel Nichols is very popular? When did that happen?
Man, I go away for a few days and everything changes!!! Sooo..., somebody, PLEASE, explain to me why she is suddenly "very popular"?
I don't know what to do with myself during this summer of discontent. I have contemplated contemplating on the nature and meaning of life, I have procrastinated re my procrastination issues, I have rationalised my greatly disproportionate feelings about contracts being signed/not signed by a person I don't know, I've thought - fleetingly - about getting a life, I've mulled over consuming an entire jar, or two, of chocolate spread in half an hour, I've underplayed my visions of suicidal mania, I've thought about getting a cat/or having a baby, but nope nothing will stop the frazzling.
Dear Unknown Person I'm Stalking on Twitter,
Please put me out of my misery. Thank you.
Yours sincerely, Frazzling Fanlunatic with No Post-Hotch Plans
Come on TEAM No TG/Hotch = NO CM for me!! How about trying something fun (ok maybe just a way to pass time) to show our support for Thomas/Hotch and Paget/Emily; because we want Criminal Minds to be great for Season 7!!
I believe us fans can unite as EXTREME AGGRESSORS; we can let CBS/ABC studios know that we have a COMPULSION for Thomas & Paget and we WON’T BE FOOLED AGAIN with this contract nonsense. It’s actually in PLAIN SIGHT that Criminal Minds 7th year would be very bad luck much like a BROKEN MIRROR without our Hotch. The BAU’s ability to capture those L.D.S.K. vermin would be thwarted without THE FOXy charms of Prentiss. Our nation, our world is full of NATURAL BORN KILLERs and we need our whole team to take them down.
Producers/Writers please don’t allow yourselves to become DERAILED; THE POPULAR KIDS (that’s us) are BLOOD HUNGRY for a tremendously awesome Season 7; not another season of WHAT FRESH HELL we endured this year. Do away with the POISON of Ashley Seaver; we understand your need to RIDE THE LIGHTNING but hey it didn’t work. You have lots of UNFINISHED BUSINESS to deal with in Season 7; JJ’s return, Emily being alive and quickly resolve Reid’s headaches please. THE TRIBE has spoken; we want Criminal Minds to return to the grand magnificence of Seasons 1, 2, 3, 4 and the first ½ of 5.
A REAL RAIN of power needs to take place to be sure that SOMEBODY’S WATCHING next year and for that we need the MACHISMO of Hotch, Morgan, Rossi and Reid. It’s not nice to CHARM & HARM your fans with SECRETS AND LIES; we all remember the wonderful fiction of THE FISHER KING and we arev anticipating much more of the same.
OK, that’s Season One, anyone care to carry on with Season Two?
I didn't know who Rachel Nichols was until she became a regular on Criminal Minds. I knew who the others were. I remembered Thomas from Dharma and Greg, Paget as Kathy in Friends, Shemar was always familiar though I'd never seen any of his works, AJ in the Virgin Suicides and Final Destination2, Joe as Fat Tony from the Simpsons. MGG and Kirsten just started out with CM, so can't say much about them, but they instantly won me over with their quirky characters and exemplary performances. I do think they're both more popular than Rachel Nichols.
Eleven,
I can idintify with you completely. I've actually had to stop following/stalking this unknown person on Twitter to preserve a little bit of my sanity.
While I will miss TG a lot if he doesn't come back and the writing would have to be so much better than it's been to keep me watching, I have no sense here of Thomas being a victim. I think he holds lots of cards and if the negotiations don't work out it will be his decision as much as that of CBS
Teresa H - i'm not thinking of TG as a victim either. I probably blamed CBS for a while because of their incredible (!!!) decisions this year. But i accept that negotiations need two parties. And if it IS about money, i'm not going to be sanctimonious and say 'oh god, TG is greedy' (silly argument and completely unnecessary. "Dear Employer, please give me a higher salary" wot's wrong with that, eh?). If it is about family time, that's a whole another thing! Anything else - it is ultimately their business (in more ways than one) and they will deal with it as they deem fit.
I'm coming from an extremely selfish place of wanting the Hotch character to grace my screen for ever, which is absurd anyway. So it will happen at some point even if it doesn't happen this year. It's just that my heart says it's too soon. I'm not ready yet to let him go :-) but fat lot of good that's going to do in moving along the negotiations in the 'right' direction.
How in the world did you manage to stop stalking Unknown Person? I really need to know so i can get back to The Real Mr Dimples (Hubs, who's feeling pretty ignored at the mo. eeeks).
MFJ - good one!
cheers everyone...
I don't get it, if Thomas Gibson wants to come, like he has stated many time for the fans and CBS is willing to give pay raises, like Shemar's doubled salary, what is taking so long?
Please, TG and CBS, end the fan's torture and let's be done with all this behind the scenes drama! It's taking over the show now.
Come Back Thomas!
CBS, pay the man!
I was also thining of my Little Hotch Moments today. Already stated the one in 'Ashes and Dust'. i love the little gulp when he calls Morgan in S3 Ep 2 right after the 'blank call' scene, the 'what?' in 'the eyes have it', the breaking eye contact right after he tells Haley that she is a great mother in 'nameless faceless' as if he immediately thinks 'i'm not a great father', the almost total lack of eye contact with Strauss in '100', the fleeting internal debate with himself you see on his face when he asks Strauss 'would you...do you want to talk about it?' in S6 ep21, his face when Ms Daniels asks him in 'pleasure is my business" - 'do you want to buy a house'? Oh so many moments! I love TG's Hotch what can i say (just as i love the volatile potrayal of Boyd by Trevor Eve in 'waking the dead' at least in the first few seasons).
Eleven,
So we also have Trevor Eve in common. I loved Waking the Dead Sometimes his character got a little too nuts and was cruel to his team. Something our wonderful Hotch has never been, even when angry with someone. I just had to go cold turkey with Unknown Person on Twitter, the temptation is still there though. Would cold showers work?
Trevor Eve, yay, but he was meant to be played that way. I'm sure he could be the other extreme if needed, as much as i believe TG could go nuts as Hotch if pushed or if the characterisation called for that. I love both these characters for very different reasons. And LOVE the actors. (Also adore Warren Clarke's Dalziel in Dalziel and Pascoe.) I could actually go on about my fav detectives for ever! Don't like Inspector Linley, though, much as i pant over Elizabeth George because that series without the character of Simon St James is just rubbish.
Cold showers - how many allowed per day without jeopardising my health?
Maybe i should defenestrate my laptop (along with self)?
Sorry for going off the rail, but yeah it started off with thinking about Hotch and therefore TG and then Brit crime drama....oh well.
Unit Chief JJ?? NO. Just. no. no no no no noNO NO NO NO no. NO. I am a huge JJ fan but if they are planning on completely revamping JJ so that we no longer recognize her then UGH. There wasn't anything wrong with JJ. The fans loved her just the way she was. It was the suits that didn't appreciate her. OK, make a few changes and improvements. But please. We love JJ as the compassionate heart of the team. Don't turn her into Strauss and don't turn her into Hotch. And as others have said, do not use JJ as the latest ploy for the Seaver character.
MFJ: Fantastic idea!!
Eleven: Love all those Hotch moments. TG is the master at subtle yet powerful acting.
CBS: No Hotch, No CM for me!
Eleven & Rosie… I’m feeling your pain. And thanks!
JJ as unit chief...That will never work. Derek as unit chief yes but JJ... To bad the powers that be didn't make Derek the unit chief for Season 6 and spin Thomas Gibson off into the 2nd CM series by taking Strauss's job...Maybe then the powers that be wouldn't have to cancel the 2nd series and wouldn't waste sooooo much money on overpaid actor like Forest Whittaker, who is the sole reason I didn't watch Suspect Behavior...
They already tried Derek as Unit Chief and it was awful. JJ as Unit Chief would be ridiculous. Hotch is the only belieavable Unit Chief, anyone and everything else is and would be just a sad imitation.
As for JJ, they just need to bring the character back as she was. I wouldn't put much stock in anything that's being said right now. The showrunners and the actors always spin great tales of what's to come and it never materializes. I'm guessing the same will happen with the reintroduction of JJ. They couldn't even handle bringing her back for one scene without completely blowing it and making it so stupid it overshadowed what was actually a pretty decent episode so the odds that they could pull off a character transformation in a believable fashion are slim.
Here's an idea. How about the showrunners and writers go back and study seasons 1 thru 4, commit it to memory and then create 24 new episodes based on what was once a very successful formula and stop trying to change things up.
sf81387,
I think "spin" is the correct word.
They're all good at it and wouldn't be where they are today if they weren't
Thomas Gibson (@Gibsonthomas) just posted this to his twitter -
"to everyone asking about my coming back to CM...hoping to be there, still working on it, and I sincerely appreciate all your support!!"
we have hope, hotch fans!! :D :D :D
Aww, that's nice. I bet he scrolls through a barrage of desperate pleas for him to PUULLEEAASSEEE come back every time he pulls up his twitter account. LOL
BTW, I think I love that he owns an old VW Bus.
IMO the ratings trend should be analyzed in addition to the overall average. If it started off high with a steady decline and ended up low, I think that is a big indication that should be taken into account.
Thanks CMFan for posting that!!
Wooohooo, there is still hope. I cross all my fingers, my toes and everything else I can.
sf81387 - i actually like derek as the unit chief but I do admit it was weird that derek was telling what hotch to do. didn't really work but if hotch was still the boss in strauss's position i think it would work. but that's just me...
cmffan - thanks for posting tg's tweet here as i haven't been on twitter for awhile...good to know he is still working on coming back next season. i just hope cbs doesn't screw it up...
No, Maria is right. The last few episodes had a good decline, with the finale being down to 3.3. Things don't decline that fast due to DVR/downloading (which, BTW has been around for a while, another reason the decline is not attributable to DVR/downloading). I think the decline in the last few episodes is an indication of fans dissatisfaction. Die-hard fans, to be exact. I know quite a few fans that used to obsess and talk about the show all day but now have completely stopped watching because of all the cast changes and Seaver. I think it would be in the show's best interest to ditch Seaver and get TG and PB back.
oh yes it is, it is not just CM that is down year to year. Even Idol keeps droping. Glee is dropping like a brick as well. DH is dropping every single show is dropping. It has nothing to do who is on the cast.
Thanks for the tweet, Thomas! We're all behind you and can't wait for your tweet that you are back and I have my Wed night planned once again. :)
No Hotch/Thomas, ABSOLUTELY NO CM.
YES!!!!! i love the whole cast and show but there just not a show without hotch
YES!!!!! i love the whole cast but there is no show without hotch
mfj,
Here is my attempt at Season Two. It's not as clever as yours and sorry I couldn't think of how to fit in Profiler, Profiled.
I say, enough with all the PSYCHODRAMA behind the scenes! It has filled me with nothing but FEAR AND LOATHING at the idea that the suits at CBS/ABC don't have their LESSONS LEARNED from the AJ/PB debacle. Though I guess AJ Cook got to have THE LAST WORD in that whole ordeal. Good for her!
If tptb let TG walk, the AFTERMATH would be horrific! My television world would become nothing but an EMPTY PLANET, leaving me JONESing for my Hotch fix. I might be so filled with desperation and feelings of NO WAY OUT that I may declare OPEN SEASON on tptb!! Just kidding. Maybe. But really, why are they balking at TG's contract requests? Is there no HONOR AMONG THIEVES? All of this prolonged Behind-the-scenes drama and waiting has filled me with DISTRESS and feelings of NO WAY OUT, PART II. TPTB would be asking for THE PERFECT STORM from all of TG's fans. Here is to hoping that tptb have a few insightful REVELATIONS and give TG the contract he would sign. After all, we all have better things to do, like watch and enjoy THE BIG GAME.
There are only 4 sure things in life: SEX, BIRTH, DEATH... and HOTCH!! Without him, who will lead the team in protecting us from THE BOOGEYMAN and THE FISHER KING?? If Hotch doesn't come back, I am going to be tempted to burn my TV until it is nothing but ASHES AND DUST.
But should TG decide he's ready to move on, what a wonderful LEGACY he will have left behind with his work. Well done, good sir!! Maybe then he could take a well-deserved vacation to NORTH MAMMON, skiing the slopes of P911.
Audrey,
Very nicely done! Loved your theme, I hope you enjoyed putting it together.
No TG/Hotch = NO CM/CBS FOR ME!!!
Anyone care to take on Season 3?
Thanks mfj. It was fun to put it together. :)
Thomas Gibson saying he is hopeful about coming back doesn't sound too hopeful coming from him. Didn't he used to say he wanted to come back and not he hopes which does not sound good. If hew was even close to signing a deal I think he would have said something but he said still working on it. Sounds like they aren't even close to coming to terms and its almost June. I don't think what Thomas said even helped the situation. I am preparing for him to leave.
Audrey - only 4 sure things in life - LOL LOL LOL. i'd add coffee but that's me. Actually it's the pic of TG with a coffee cup (tie undone - you know the one i'm talking about), which is also my comp wallpaper, that kinda makes the sitch hopeless for me. Now i can't think of Hotch without also thinking of coffee, and i cannot not think of coffee, so..... Hmmmmmm....my life just gets increasingly complicated. Anon above, who knows what anything means, but he was sweet enough to say SOMETHING about the THING HE CANNOT TALK ABOUT. So maybe we should take it as the only form of reassurance he can offer his fans at the mo.
Oops yes you are right, coffee should def be added to the list!! :)
No Hotch No CM for me
Eleven,
I love that coffee cup picture!! Mmmm coffee. Mmmm Thomas. Mmmmmm xD
It IS that kinda picture,it is. We don't have a choice really - coffee/TG - both 'stirring'.
To me that a day after Chris Meloni leaves SVU Thomas tweets about his situation. Not an accident and I am sure he was told what to say too.
I think that Thomas Gibson taking the time to write on twitter that the negociations are still going on was just him reassuring his fans. I don't know him personally, but he looks to me like a nice man enough to just do that without having to receive directives from his "boss" to do so.
Anon, SUV and CM are different networks so not the same "boss". TG has also been previously outspoken, so I hightly doubt anyone is telling him what to say. He doesn't have an agent tweeting on his behalf.
I'm just glad the door isn't shut and they're still talking. Thomas, pleeeease come back, won't watch without Hotch. :(
No Hotch No CM.
Gotta whats TG been outspoken about? I always have thought that he was more of a diplomat with the way he talks.
I too think TG is quite the diplomat. Saying they were all stunned at AJ's firing was hardly being outspoken. That's the only statement from him, that I know about, which even comes close. Perhaps others are more up to speed on this.
Still no news?? *sigh*
And I agree with those who have said TG is diplomatic. And also caring at the same time. Maybe he should go into politics next. TG for President!! Just kidding!
No Hotch, No CM for me!
I truly believe that TG will be back for S7!!
If Thomas isn't on next year I will give criminal minds one season to fail. ALL the actors are great, but he is the one that pulls everything together
I think it would be best for the show if CBS gets TG to stay. And of course it would be best for us fans for TG to stay. But the only best that is important in this decision is TG and his fam. And we don't know what that is, only TG knows. I wish him all the very best.
Oh for frig's sake, CBS. PLEEEASE sign Thomas Gibson! Its no use giving us AJ & PB back (if PB comes back) if there's no TG to go along with them. ORIGINAL CAST, ALL THE TIME! No Hotch No CM.
This is one drawn out process. TG deserves a raise just like the rest of the CM cast. He's given his all for 6 years, on and off camera and is the reason I watch and the only reason I stuck with a horrible S6. I hope CBS figures out his importance cuz I'm done if there's no Hotch on my screen every week next season. No CM without TG/Hotch!
NO HOTCH/TG NO CM, regardless who you try to passify the fans with.
A big yes to what Caitlin and Amber said! I'd love it if AJ and PB came back. But even if they both come back, if TG doesn't, then I will NOT be watching Criminal Minds!
ORIGINAL CAST, ALL THE TIME! No Hotch No CM.
I really really like those two sentences! Sums everything up quite nicely. Are you listening CBS???!!!
Paaaaaaaaagggggeeeeeeeetttttt please come back!!!!!!
And CBS please renew TG's contract!!!
I know its not June but if its the middle of June and we still don't know about Thomas. This would leave me to believe that he is not coming back. No Hotch No CM for Me
I must admit I was a little confused by Paget’s tweet about Free Will, especially since she’s always had it. CBS has held out the olive branch to her for sometime; and she used the opportunity afforded by the debacle created by the network, to explore pilot options, all the time knowing that the CM fans were supporting her decision, but still hopeful of her return.
I love Paget as if she were one of my girlfriends. I’ll be extremely disappointed if she decides not to return. I clung to the hope that she’ll be gracing my TV screen as Prentiss until CM is no more; but this has been a painful process for both Paget and the fans. If she decides not to come back, we will have mourned the loss of Paget/Prentiss on at least 4 separate occasions.
We mourned her when it was first announced that AJ had been let go and Paget’s episodes had been reduced. We signed petitions, sent letters and emails, and made phone calls; in an attempt to get CBS to rescind its decision.
Even though CBS changed its mind about Paget, she maintained her status and opted to leave CM; so we mourned her loss once again at the end of Lauren as she clandestinely walked away from our view leaving us all pained because we understood it may have been the last time we’d see her if she landed a pilot with another network, making her return to CM impossible.
We mourned her once again when we read the Deadline announcement that Paget had landed an NBC pilot and would leave CM if her pilot was picked up. With every announcement, we held our collective breath and held on to the hope of Paget’s return, but we nervously understood that her happiness may be found elsewhere.
If Paget opts not to return now, I’m not sure how I will feel. There’s no longer the pilot prospect; and the CBS treatment has always been a nonissue for me because most employers aren’t any better. People who work in an industry should understand it, especially if they choose to remain a part of it.
We’ve hung on to the hope of getting Paget back for what seems like an eternity. Now that she’s not encumbered by pilot or process, if she chooses to walk away, I think it will be more hurtful because we’ve hung on for so long. But at least it will be the final time we’ll have to mourn. I mean four times really is way too many times to go through emotional upheaval about a character, even if the person playing the role has come to be like family. We finally will be put out of our misery, and the decision will be Paget’s choice.
I’m more pained about what’s happening with Thomas Gibson who has constantly expressed his desire to return to CM and whose potential loss cannot be underscored enough. He for me is simply irreplaceable. So even if Paget were a part of the CM framework, Thomas out of the picture would end my CM viewing.
I’m hoping CBS has dragged this matter out for effect; and that at least by the beginning of next week, we get news that both Thomas and Paget will return. I’ve also been gauging the comments or lack of comments from Jill, the blog owner, who no longer provides updates on Thomas’ contract status. I’m hoping that indicates she knows something and simply is not in a position to share. I’m certain that if she thought Thomas’ CM existence were really in jeopardy, she would have assembled an army by now.
I meant to post my comment in the other thread. I guess it could work in either or both.
ORIGINAL CAST, ALL THE TIME! No Hotch No CM.
Listen to the fans, CBS, b/c this is true! I refuse to watch another Hotchless CM episode... EVER. So please give TG a contract worth his signing (which should be golden, btw).
ORIGINAL CAST, ALL THE TIME! No Hotch No CM.
Thomas' tweet last week at least told us they are still talking. But I am disgusted at CBS' attitude. They should understand how essential Hotch is to CM, and to the fans. Give this actor a raise (you managed to find $ for the others) and let him go back to work as SAA Hotchner. Anything less and I'm done with CM and CBS.
NO HOTCH, NO CM! Original Cast, ALL the TIME.
For me, Thomas Gibson is the best part of Criminal Minds. I just can't imagine the show without Hotch. I will not be watching next season if he is not there.
PAGET IS COMING BACK!! *does cartwheels* Now they just need to sign Thomas Gibson and we are back in business, baby!!!! YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NO HOTCH NO CM FOR ME!!!!!!!!!!!!
it is great news that paget is coming back for sure. but it's not enough. if thomas gibson doesn't return, i won't be watching. the end.
My friend has intuition and she basically said Thomas is not coming back next season. Sorry folks
Okay already! enough is enough! Please get Thomas' contract signed! Now!! CBS should be ashamed of itself for letting this drag on for so long!!
Well what can one say about this accept I am a jumpy as a cat on a hot tin roof at the moment with Thomas not having signed anything yet for season 7. To me CM without Hotch is like a fish out of water it just can not survive without it. To me watching CM without Thomas as Hotch in not an option, I think that if he does not sign and leaves the show I will be gone as well. I am a Hotch Honey through and through and I can not bare to think about CM with out our beloved Hotch. Please Thomas do not leave us in the dark much longer with what is happening. We have just got the team back together and to loose you, would be heart breaking.
Glad Paget Brewster is back on Criminal Minds especially since she was treated badly but personally I think CM could have survived without Paget Brewster and AJ Cook. CM cannot survive without Thomas Gibson since he is the one that keeps everyone together. Can't believe he still has not been signed to a new contract....Resigned to accepting that TG will not come back next season......Also why are casts' contracts for only two years anyhow....
what are you waiting for? He's the best one!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No, I'm not nervous. The show wouldn't work without Thomas Gibson. What's probably happening is that he wants a raise and they have to go through all sorts of stuff with the network to make it happen. I mean Shemar Moore got a 50,000 raise per episode, and yes, he's the most attractive, but he's not nearly as ideal as Hotch. If they're giving Moore that huge of a raise, they will undoubtably comply with whatever Gibson wants. I really don't think that CBS would even risk it. They know that he's the glue for the show, so he could ask for almost anything, and they'll basically have to agree.
Another thing is that they ditched Nichols. There's no way they would ax her if they were going to throw away Gibson. CBS has enough money to let Moore get his raise, while still paying everyone else and give Gibson a raise. This happened before Season 4 or 5 too (can't remember which one), but Gibson still came back. Cook came back after all the time away in season 6. It's not always about the money. I think the cast of CM is so close that they'll stay together. I am a bit nervous, but I was nervous about Brewster and Cook too, and both of them signed on again. We'll be fine.
Do you realize what you are doing? i don't think so because you are going to loose a lot of viewers without TG so give us all some good news and resign him please.
What is your problem CBS, you had to bring back your other leading players, did you not learn anything???????
YES!! It's totally unreal that CBS has done this. I pray that this ends well!!
this is so crazy. don't you know that if you don't sign thomas gibson your show is over? what's the hold up? this is getting way past rediculous...
Wow thi is so unreal.... What are they waiting for?
Syd from Belgium
Dear CBS,
Get Gibson BACK! and PLEASE release the DVDs bot just on region 1, 2, and 4. Release those worldwide.
Yours Truly,
Commander Bond
To the person who said Morgan as Unit Chief I couldn't disagree more.
Morgan as Unit Chief was awesome, and no, Hotch isn't the only believable Unit Chief. I also disagree with that wholeheartedly, and in fact, I find hum unbelievable at times.
I'd find Rossi to be more believable, and for years, when Mandy was still there, it felt like Gideon was the real Unit Chief.
I've never taken Hotch seriously as an authority figure. The character is just empty to me, IMO. He seems like just another SSA.
I love them all on the show, Prentiss, JJ, Gideon, Elle, Reid, Garcia, Rossi, and Morgan, but Hotch is the one who seems to be my least favorite. I dunno why.
I can't say I'll stop watching the show if he doesn't come back, because I honestly was more concerned about Shemar's contract, which I'm glad he received his well deserved raise, and Derek Morgan is officially set for Season 7! xD
I want Gibson back, but I doubt the whole show depends on him. They will adapt if need be. I just want my family unit back, despite me not being the biggest Hotch fan in the world.
Anyways, I'd love to see Derek step back into the Unit Chief role if need be, or even see Rossi take over with his air of awesomeness.
I'm more of a Season 4 and on fan.
I really couldn't get into Season 1 or 2, although "Profiler, Profiled" happens to be the most amazing episode of the series I've seen to date, the second being "Mayhem."
Anyways, best of luck for TG. We'll see what happens, but I'm on lock for Season 7 whether it turns out good or bad for him.
Edit:
To the person who said Morgan as Unit Chief was terrible, I couldn't disagree more.*
lol.
I'm sorry folks, but Hotch isn't Criminal Minds, not by a long shot.
The show can and will survive without him if need be, and change is always something I welcome.
Anybody can put on a suit and portray a team leader. Shemar, Joe...even Mathew could do it.
Morgan was already Unit Chief, so that would work. Rossi is a veteran, so that would also work.
If they stop Criminal Minds due to Gibson not re-signing, or halt production, that is a direct insult and slap in the face to the rest of the actors to try and paint the show around one actor, when it is an ensemble cast.
It really is what turns me off of Shows.
"The West Wing," was never The Martin Sheen Show. It was an ensemble cast, and nobody's important was underscored, nor was anyone ever left out.
Criminal Minds has given me that impression over the years, but I've done my best to stick with it. Now, they're talking producer's status for Thomas Gibson, and in thinking about when Mark Harmon got it, Mark Harmon became the show, and I was done with it.
If Criminal Minds becomes The Thomas Gibson show for real, I am done with the show. I can't stomach it.
It's completely disrespectful to the other actors, characters, and fans of the other characters and actors.
My comment isn't meant to be disrespectful. It's my opinion.
I can't imagine CM without TG and will not watch without him...period.
No TG / No Hotch = No CM!!!
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