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Chemistry with Reid where do you see that??? They have barely been in any scenes together thank God. I love the Reid character and would not want to have to block him out because of Seaver.
Wouldn't the network have to pay a hefty fee to include those songs on a soundtrack or is that covered under the same deal as when they are played in an episode?
I used to see this all the time with Charlie on Lost. The forums hated him, but when you went to the news sites, they were full of love
Really? Every LOST forum I ever visted was full of love for Charlie. He was a fan favorite. Now Jack on the other hand...... Of course that online fandom was so enormous and so active 24/7 there was plenty of room for the supporters and the detractors to co-exist without either side managing to tip the scales.
Hate to be the Debby Downer, but a CM soundtrack isn't gonna happen.
CM has been making major moves toward original compositions on the show. Not counting "The Thirteenth Step" (an exception because of the "rock and roll" nature of the unsubs), there have only been 2 non-original songs since the 6th episode of this season.
Most TV shows don't have soundtracks. The CW is an exception. Grey's Anatomy is also an exception, because it is so music-centric. Nobody else has soundtracks, because they don't sell.
NCIS actually has a score, so maybe you could petition for something like that. Although CM isn't as popular as NCIS.
Anonymous, is that move toward original scores because they don't have to pay fees?
Maybe. Finding appropriate music and obtaining a license is a lot of work. Then again, so is composing original music. More likely it has to do with the ambiance of the show, which is more suited to instrumental music. Also, it allows the producers to be very specific with the musical mood they want to set. Each character or setting can sort of have its own tailor-made theme music that tells the audience exactly what it should be feeling.
Annabelle,
they do look kinds cute together. Though thankfully Seaver seemed to blow her chances by telling Reid off in Coda which is how I shall justify that rudeness on her part. If it kills chances with our Spence, then YAY!
Can we talk about what we expect of JJ now that she's back. Her wardrobe seems to be getting more sophisticated and powerful. She looks like a tanned angel sent from above. I know that sounded kinds corny but hey, our prayers were answered. AJ/JJ belong on CM. The show doesnt function well without her.It may have been steady in the ratings but... Hotch is pretty dreamy and hypnotic to looks at as are the other CM gentlemen. Well Rossi's kinda old for my taste, though he is attractive.
So any comments on what is in store for JJ?
Perhaps looking cute together is one thing, chemistry is another. If they went down that road, that would instantly be a delete off my DVR for the season so fast it is not even funny. For those two or any of the other characters.
1st of all, AJ is back and I'm still giddy! Welcome! You have no idea how much I missed the family feeling since she was gone. Same thing during her pregnancy leave.
Now, wish list for season 7:
More profiling and less action.
More of the team and less time with the unsub of the week.
More Hotch and to finally seeing him dealing with all of his traumas. How about finally some Rossi? A lot of JJ to compensate the lost year and not just using the “mommy card”, but certainly don't make her the next Strauss. More Reid and not as the annoying little brother. Morgan back as everybody’s big brother. And more team hanging out together, more girl time too. Or at least more of those beautiful scenes we saw in Coda.
Storyline with beginning, middle and ending. Unlike Reid's headache storyline.
I see no reason for a theme of the season, since they never stick with them. What’s is Morgan’s secret? What is Rossi’s?
Doyle dead, 5 minutes into an episode (7.01 would be a good one). And for the team to find out about Emily directly from her, because she's not just in hiding, she is tracking that bastard down and she finishes this herself. Go Emily!
Now, here it comes. Ready? No Seaver. I'm sorry, I know some people want to watch her grow or give her a chance, but after 10 episodes, I still don't think TPTB knows what to do with her. She is either the newbie who knows nothing, or the one who asks all the questions, or she is simply the only female left in the field, which means she automatically just inherited all of Emily's lines.
That’s it.
Good luck to Erica and patience to all of us, since it’s not always that we get what we want. It’s possible, though.
Anonymous, thanks for answering my question.
I think Seaver and Morgan had a lot of chemistry in "With Friends Like These." I really liked their interview with the goofy neighbor and their humorous glances. I think the show should do more door-to-door interviews like that. I think the FBI does that a lot and I'm sure they come across all sorts of crazies!
That "on set" video of Shemar macking on Rachel does nothing to help assuage my Morgan/Seaver hopes :)
Martha said,
"Doyle dead, 5 minutes into an episode (7.01 would be a good one). And for the team to find out about Emily directly from her, because she's not just in hiding, she is tracking that bastard down and she finishes this herself. Go Emily!"
Yes! Go Emily!
"Humourous glances," sorry, but she was pretty stiff in that scene and in a lot of other scenes :/ Shemar was pretty straight laced in that scene too, but Shemar is able to emote in other scenes.
Annabelle,
I agree that they dont have too much chemsitry onscreen. Unfortuantely for RN, she lacks onscreen chemistry with the entire cast.
And Shemar Moore made out with Kirsten Vnagness and Meta Golding in bts and onset videos a couple of toher times so RN isnt any more special for it. She's just lucky to have made out with SM.
I would die if I could make out with Hotch!
Anyway, i dont think JJ will be the next Strauss exactly, that would put her above Hotch in the hierarchy and that isnt fair to Hotch, though it would be meta impressive on JJ.
ANd I would actually like to see Emily actually knock Ian Doyle down herself. I'm not opposed to themes but if there are themes then hopefully Erica Messer will stay consistent with them. After all, we should hold out high hopes for her since she's going to be flying solo on CM. Bernero is the teaser boy isnt he? He messed up because he put all his efforts into a wasted spinoff.
Optika said...
Annabelle,
they do look kinds cute together.
Oh Dear Lord. Just no. NO.
Me: I used to see this all the time with Charlie on Lost. The forums hated him, but when you went to the news sites, they were full of love
sf81387: Really? Every LOST forum I ever visted was full of love for Charlie. He was a fan favorite. Now Jack on the other hand......
The Fuselage and TWoP, particularly during seasons two and three. As a massive Charlie fan, I lived it. Yes, he was a fan favorite, but it was shocking the amount of hate we had to weed through at those two sites. Made it tough to be a vocal Charlie fan. You'd get attacked for even the most minor of things. Much like it's probably tough to be a vocal Seaver fan.
And yes, the Jack hate is/was a similar parallel, eventually reaching even worse proportions than Charlie.
ok ok forget I said anything lol
Has anyone ever been on the imdb forums? Those people are crazy! not all just some but damn!
imdb boards has always been full of idiots
Oh and in my opinion and others i seen say RN has great chemistry with Morgan, Rossi and Reid
The Fuselage and TWoP, particularly during seasons two and three.
TWOP forums are not a reliable reference when the site does recaps of a show. The recappers hated Charlie and Jack, and that influenced the forum members. Don't know anything about "The Fuselage."
But not with Hotch hehee. I still dont see any long term chemsitry with the team as a whole when it comes to Seaver. I mean, even in the cast pic, she looks like she was just added in through photoshop. It doesnt look natural at all. Its a minor point but come on...
imdb is way worse than this blog has ever been. I dont have an account with imdb so i cant comment on those forums but now that AJ is back, lets just see what will happen.
Even RN said that she cant confirm whether she's coming back or not and nothing is known about Paget so just be grateful that we've got JJ's girl power back. Though its three blondes and only one non white person on the show. I think they should have some more exotic guest stars as fbi agents or if Paget doesnt come back, then add a non white experienced, good chemistry with the team profiler in a recurring role.
I think I may sound messed up if one is to read my comments too fast so please read carefully.
I am just pointing out that some more color would add a dash of realism as well but I dont think the main cast should be messed with or experimented more than it has been. Recurring players is a safer way.
Michael,
sweetie, just speak for yourself. Not for other people.
well i have seen those comments on twitter so of course i also speak for others
lauren j. said...
TWOP forums are not a reliable reference when the site does recaps of a show. The recappers hated Charlie and Jack, and that influenced the forum members.
Actually, for Lost it was. Second largest Lost board, and Damon Lindelof frequently took it to task (particularly since Lindelof got his start at TWoP). It's known he and Cuse read the boards, not just the recaps. The Bitterness Fiesta. The recaps didn't influence the members, the members were already that way.
And yeahhhh sorry. Didn't mean to get into a Lost discussion on a CM board.
Thomas Gibson was very nice to defen Rachel Nichols. While I dislike Seaver strongly, harassing the actress, espeically on her twitter account is way out of line.
Thomas was not asking people to support Seaver, he was basically asking people to be nice to Rachel and support her as a person and an actress. I'm sure the cast feels terrible now that it looks like Rachel's job is on the line. The one advantage that RN has is that she can see it coming whereas with AJ and Paget, especially AJ, it was right out of the blue. ANd fans have fought for AJ to come back and now Paget, well thats in her hands.
In support of Rachel, she was great in GI Joe, Meskada, Amittyville Horror, Dumb and Dumberer, P2, and Alias. I have seen The Inside. Rebecca Locke wasnt suited for Rachel and Seaver is just badly badly written most of the time.
Rachel can play the tough girl well but the kind she was in GI Joe and Meskada and ALias. I think Rahcel should try romantic comedies, she's kinda funny so it would be good for her.
very glad to have AJ back and cant wait to see her cameo in the season finale. She looked like a sharp dressed woman! I wonder what the writers have in store for her and how exactly her contract negotiations went. They were done with pretty quick considering TG and SM still have to signe their negotiations. Makes me wish I was in hollywood. But I have faith that TG and SM will be back just like AJ.
What is imdb?
As long as they get an experienced profiler in there I am good regardless of skin color. I know what you meant Optika, I just don't particularly care about that kind of thing. I just want a character who fits within the framework of the BAU; not a probationary agent soon to be rookie agent. I hope Paget comes back so that we can get that back on the team, if not, then I hope that create a character that does fit within that framework or keep it at 6 team members.
Getting AJ back is a step in the right direction.
I think I may be the only person in the world who hasn't seen the show Lost, :) By all accounts, it seemed like it was a good show that had a big following.
Its ok Blue Sunflower,
I end up talking about Terminator The Sarah Connor Chronicles at times. I loved that show and am very sad it was cancelled. It had great writing, great dialogue, great character development, great mythology. I dont know where else to talk about it lol
I think Lena Headey would be a cool guest star. And I love Leven Rambin as an actress even though she was hated to the point of actually being killed off on the show. So Seaver is pretty luck as is RN, for now anyway.
And Betty Draper is my favorite character on Mad Men even though she is one of the least popular. My poinbt being that I am a reasonable person. I am really rambling right now though...
CM should have a soundtrack and it can be released through an indie label right? All the characters should have a specific song for them.
Hotch : Broken by Lifehouse
JJ : Let It be Me by Ray La Montagne
Spencer: The Funeral by Band of Horses and Make Tomorrow
Garcia: virtually Happy by Holly Golightly and Heroes by David Bowie
Gideon: Everyday is exactly the same by Nine Inch Nails
Wolf like me by TV on the Radio and Rock n Roll train by ACDC for the team. Morgon and Rossi are tougher to decide on. They havent really had a good fitting song yet have they?
If anyone actually watched Sarah Connor chronicles, Leven Rambin played Riley on the show, fyi and I think she would be a cool CM guest star becuase she already has LAw and Order SVU and CSI Miami on her resume.
I dont mind high profile guest stars on the show but the show needs to tone down their rolse seeing as how they are only guest stars.
I dont usually think about things like that either, when it comes to color but seeing as how I'm not white and how the show is going to have three blondes, 2 of whcih some ppl have trouble telling apart, it would be anice contrast. Or have a few more colored guest stars.
The Fuselage and TWoP, particularly during seasons two and three.
The Fuselage had it's detractors for just about every character and TWOP is basically nothing more than a hate site anyway. Dark UFO was my favorite LOST hangout. I was a Jack fan so I can relate to how much is sucks to have to read hateful comments about a character you like, but I think I got the last laugh on all those who at end were gasping, "Oh my god, it really was 'The Jack Show' after all." ; )
Perhaps my LOST experience is what keeps me from being overly harsh about any character on any show.
I think JJ is coming back to help Hotch out with all those extra duties he just inherited.
Having two characters who share the same likeness for some viewers is something that the network will have to weigh into their decision making. My primary concern is the character itself.
If Paget comes back, I seriously doubt that they will enlarge the cast to 8 series regulars as that would be very expensive on top of all of the production costs.
Nothing is for sure right now. They haven't even made an official announcement about the show's renewal. Even though, it is certain that it will be picked up. TG and SM are still up in the air. I'm hoping for the best there, and nobody knows what is going to happen with Paget as it is up to her.
sf81387 said...
The Fuselage and TWoP, particularly during seasons two and three.
The Fuselage had it's detractors for just about every character and TWOP is basically nothing more than a hate site anyway.
Yeah, which is basically my point. You can't use the specific fan forums to gauge general public reaction. You have to go to the non-main CM hangouts. As so far, they're pretty universal in how Seaver is being accepted (as in, not at all). Other CM universals: Reid and Hotch love, and "Bring back Paget and AJ!"
Optika said...
"I dont usually think about things like that either, when it comes to color but seeing as how I'm not white and how the show is going to have three blondes, 2 of whcih some ppl have trouble telling apart, it would be anice contrast. Or have a few more colored guest stars."
They should just ask Rachel to go back to being a brunette, which I think suits her much better.
Actually, I don't know why they asked her to dye her hair back to blond for Seaver, unless they didn't want her clashing with Paget.
But I think both AJ and Kirsten look better as blonds.
Yes, I think JJ may be coming back in part to do that too sf81387, to help Hotch with the duties Strauss sprung on him. Well, let's hope there is a Hotch to help. I'm going to keep as positive about that, and SM, as possible.
Yeah, but if she goes to being a brunette (I think blonde is her natural hair color) it will be so obvious why she is doing that, or rather, why the show would be asking her to do that. Garcia can color her hair purple one week and red the next week and people wouldn't bat an eye lash. If RN was to do it now some people may believe that it is a deliberate move and be put off by that. Also, I think she would get slammed with the "Oh, now she is trying to be the Prentiss clone instead of the JJ clone." Maybe I am wrong about that, but I can really see that happening. Really, if she dyes her hair at all, I think people may figure it is just so that likeness thing doesn't come up and they may become resentful of that.
Oh christ, the more ppl talk about the possiblity of Hotch not coming back, the sadder i become. It would be so out of character for Htoch to be written off the show, especially given episodes like Broken Mirro, In Name and Blood, 100, Salve of Duty, Retaliation and Devil's Night.
Hotch is so central. He's the CM glue, JJ is the heart, Reid is the soul, Garcia is the comic relief, Morgon and Emily are the ones who are supposed to pick up the pieces. I cant think of any more corny metaphors for each of their roles. Reid is also the baby of the group even if he doesnt like it, but he really shouldnt be so criminally adorable then!
to I am a fan
Seaver is gaining more and more fans and so is RN. She is now part of the CM family like Gibson and messer has said in the chats.
You JJ fans got her back so why not leave Seaver alone. It is getting very tiresome
RN dying her hair would not be a good solution and if she were, then red would be her best bet as she cant be a JJ or Emily clone.
Poor Rachel, she loves Criminal Minds too. If I were Rachel and I did not want to give up my job, I'd be begging the writers to write me a strong kickass totally different take.
^^ Speaking of tiresome.
Anyhoo - I'm not really sure how JJ is gonna come back. With the Strauss situation, it logically follows that Hotch takes her place, and Morgan takes Hotch's. However, that takes Hotch out of the field pretty much and isolates him from the rest of the cast. Unacceptable. I do think JJ will return as some media specialist again (since that position is badly needed for them), but no idea on how it'll all work out.
AJ was brought back because there is a VERY GOOD chance that Thomas Gibson and/or Shemar Moore will NOT be back. I am thrilled that AJ is coming back but it was done so the fans wouldn't have heart attacks when we lose a more central character.
Things I forgot to add to my season 7 wish list:
No more movie rip-offs please.
The Thirteenth Step, Sense Memory and Today I Do being just three good examples (in a row).
And let's spend less money on big name guest stars that don't bring bigger ratings and end up getting all the attention and time away from the characters we really care about.
Heh, Optika. Oops! FYI, you're not the tiresome one I was indicating. :D
Television demographics are fascinating. They reveal quite a lot about the racial situation in this country. Whether we like it or not, people are subconsciously racist. Or at least, they prefer to watch characters of their own race. So, networks have to play to those odds and cast white people.
In ensemble shows, you will often see a token minority, just so the cast is not so homogenous. However, that person has to be attractive in a traditionally "white" way. Take Shemar Moore and Meta Golding for example. Black skin, but facial features are white. Incidentally, they are both half-white.
So anyway, if CM brings in someone to replace Paget and/or Seaver, it's going to be a pretty white female.
Just as a sidenote, Garcia was meant to be latino.
*Disclaimer for people not reading carefully- THESE ARE NOT MY OPINIONS!!!
Aimee said...
"AJ was brought back because there is a VERY GOOD chance that Thomas Gibson and/or Shemar Moore will NOT be back. I am thrilled that AJ is coming back but it was done so the fans wouldn't have heart attacks when we lose a more central character."
Aimee, I actually wouldn't put that past CBS, but it said it with so much certainty, could you tell us why?
Janet
Aimee said...
AJ was brought back because there is a VERY GOOD chance that Thomas Gibson and/or Shemar Moore will NOT be back.
If there was a very good chance they wouldn't be returning, we'd have heard about it by now. For one, I suspect Shemar might have joined Paget in pilot shopping. If he seriously thought his contract wasn't going to get picked up, he could have taken his chances with another show. If said pilot hired him, that'd be a heckuva indication *they* didn't think Shemar's CM contract would be picked up either.
Michael if you like the Seaver character, fine, I don't. I have JJ's "back" as you say because she was, and will be again (YAY!) a good character for the show. If Seaver were a good character for the show, which imo I don't think it is, I wouldn't have a problem, but I don't think she is so I am going to speak out about that for however long that character is in the show. If this character is gaining so much momentum as you say, why should you care that people here who have an issue with the character speak out about those issues. As long as no one is disrespecting anyone else, I don't see the problem. No one is telling you to stop proclaiming your opinions, you shouldn't tell others to stop proclaiming theirs.
I wish I could tell you what I know but I can't but you can put it together yourself actually. Shemar and Thomas started their negotiations at the same time AJ and Paget did and they still do not have contracts. They are now on hiatus and their contracts have expired. CBS likes to announce cast changes during the summer hiatus.
lauren j. said...
Just as a sidenote, Garcia was meant to be latino.
Garcia was actually meant to be a Latino male, IIRC. Like Reid was supposed to be Mr. Data reincorporated.
TO Michael,
Neither Thomas Gibson nor Erica Messer said that she is part of the CM family. Thomas said to be more supportive of Rachel as a person and an actress and that she is welcome to the cast and the stories. It doesnt make her family especially as the writers are shoving her down viewers throats. ANd Seaver doesnt seem to be gaining enough fans anyway.
Keep in mind that I am talking about Seaver not RN.
Erica Messer said the same thing basically about Seaver, only since she obviously doesnt know if RN is coming back, she couldnt really give a straight answer. Nowehere in any of those chat trasncripts did it specifically say that Seaver is family. Only that both she and RN are welcome. Just like I am welcome to go to Mcdonalds whenever i want but not like I'm part of the Mcds family.
I'm sure that RN has made some great friendships with the cast and crew but Seaver isnt being felt by most and it sure doesnt seem like she'll be around much longer past the beginning of season 7 anyway.
I mean all this in a respectful, if somehwat blunt way.
Yeah Optika, but at this point, I don't think some people would buy that take on that character, like some didn't buy any of the other takes with that character they have tried thus far. I just think it is time to move past this character.
Aimee said...
They are now on hiatus and their contracts have expired.
That's incorrect. Gibson and Moore's contracts don't expire until at the earliest sometime in June. That's most likely why it's taken so long (which BTW, isn't all that unusual), as they're nowhere near the "do or die" moment. Gibson and Moore in particular, will most likely get called on to do media coverage in May when the season finale airs.
Not sure if Brewster is still covered by her old contract, as I'm not sure it ended or just allowed her first option on pilots. Her new contract (if she takes it) is presumably the one with the clause that they'd hold it for her until she makes her final decision about returning.
And AJ has a new contract.
Sorry Sunflower but you are incorrect. Their contracts expire as soon as the final stills are finished for the last episode of the season which happen this Monday and then they NO longer have contracts. That is in two days and I doubt that deals will be cut on Easter Sunday so as of close of business Monday they have NO contracts. You can take that to the bank and deposit it! Because it is accurate info!
Aimee,
i agree that is suspicious and believe that I mentioned it in a previous post above. But I dont think AJ would have signed on for another contract, let alone 2 seasons if two of her friends werent coming back. I think that everyone wants to end the show at the same time though and that the seventh or eigth season will be the last ones. Joe Mantegna and MGG both only have season 7 left anyway. That is just one reason though.
TG wants to come back and I dont think that CBS should risk losing another lead especially when TG proved he could carry the show without Mandy Patinkin. While Rossi is great, at the time of Mandy's departure, he wasnt needed. Though he is family now.
TG will be back as will SM. The show deserves to go out with a bang and with its true cast. Cbs shouldnt risk any more replacemnets either. Unless they are run by brainless morons who learned nothing from the AJ and Paget and Rachel situatation.
Fingers crossed!
AJ's had been in talks for a while. Her contract didn't just happen in a week.
Remember that MGG radio interview a month and a half ago where he said "from her mouth to God's ears?" Yeah...
that is speculation on your part i am a fan
You really don't know what goes on behind the scenes. have you seen her latest tweet
Ok, we are going to need someone to untie this.
Anyone?
Anyone?
AJ is a great gal and JJ is one of my favorite characters but she signed her new contract because she struck out during pilot season having been turned down by LOLA and she needed a job. There is NOTHING wrong with that. She has to work. She is also very good friends with the cast that is still under contract.
If Paget's pilot is not picked up she contractually has NO choice but to return to CM.
Thomas Gibson costs more than AJ Cook per episode. She was a token to the fans should he not be signed for another season.
You can believe me or not. Your choice.
What is LOLA?
I am not in the world of Twitter, so I have no idea what is going on in this Twitter-verse conversation, LOL..
Anonymous agree with you in that I would not buy into anymore character morphs with that character. Kick ass, bad ass, whatever, I'm done with the ploys, imo.
Hope Twitter gate gets unraveled....
Yes, what is LOLA.. Still waiting on Twitter gate too, LOL.
Actually they go back before that but that is splitting hairs.
Lola is Law and Order Los Angeles.
And of course both men will continue to promote the show even without contracts because they want one!
I like JJ, but she's not enough to soften the blow of losing one or both of those male characters so I seriously doubt that's why she was brought back.
I don't think the length of negotiation for AJ or Paget has anything to do with Thomas and Shemar. As for either man shopping pilots, I don't think that would've been allowed while they were still under contract for this season. Paget was allowed to do that because she negotiated a deal that would allow her to do that.
I'm not going to fret over these contract negotiations. They take a long time for all actors on all shows and typically don't get resovled until the zero hour. I would imagine in AJ's and Paget's cases it was a scenario of take it or leave it there's nothing to negotiate since both had already been let go and asked backed.
Thomas and Shemar aren't in the same boat and I think the fact that the negotations continue is a sign that the network wants to get them signed and the actors want to get signed. If it doesn't work out it doesn't. What are you gonna do? I'll just watch something else and move on. That's the good thing about television. There's always plenty of options. : )
I don't think Hotch will be replacing Strauss and that Morgan will be replacing Hotch. Morgan as unit chief was tried in Season 5 and it was in my opinion, awful. I do think that Strauss's absense may give Hotch the power to pull the necessary strings to get JJ back though and I do think that this Strauss thing is temporary or at least I hope it is. CM without Strauss to irriate and agitate wouldn't be any fun.
Aimee, where did you hear that AJ went out for Law and Order LA? If she did go out for that, she's lucky she didn't get it because from what I hear that show is doing terribly.
You're saying AJ auditioned for L&O:LA? How do you know that?
Aimee said...
Sorry Sunflower but you are incorrect. Their contracts expire as soon as the final stills are finished for the last episode of the season which happen this Monday and then they NO longer have contracts. That is in two days and I doubt that deals will be cut on Easter Sunday so as of close of business Monday they have NO contracts. You can take that to the bank and deposit it! Because it is accurate info!
Okaaaaaaaaaay. Pardon me if I wait until someone more reliable backs that up. Or y'know, May rolls around, the actors are doing media coverage, and still no contracts in place. Otherwise, that means a *boatload* of actors over the years have been without contracts, all while still working for the show after final stills, as a lot of contract negotiations aren't settle until around May upfronts.
I was just reading an article from Entertainment Weekly about Michael Weatherly on this. It was an article last May talking with him about how he'd already filmed the season finale, but his contract negotiations weren't finalized for the next season yet. Seems pretty analogous to the Gibson/Moore situaton.
Season 7 for CM won't start filming until around July. That's the final deadline for contract renewal for Gibson and Moore.
Aimee said...
Actually they go back before that but that is splitting hairs.
The writers start about the first week in June. Due to set design, location scouting, etc etc, it then takes about a month before the actors are required for that first episode.
I think Blue is right usually actors have little under 3 months of before shooting their shows again and come back in july i think
I love JJ/AJ Cook, but if CBS thinks getting her back will appease me if they don't sign TG/Hotch, well they are WRONG. No Hotch, no CM for me. !!!
Okay, since it's been brought up, I'll just tell you what I experienced with the actors' contracts to the studios that hire them (if y'all haven't read it already at other boards):
There was once this show on the CW called Reaper. Like CM, it was an ABC Studios production airing on a non-ABC and non-Disney network.
For the second season, Reaper's cast and crew worked from August to Christmas, since the CW only ordered 13 episodes. After that, the actors were technically out of work but due to their contracts placing Reaper first priority (in case of renewal) could not officially take other jobs.
Enter Tyler Labine. February rolls around, and S2 of Reaper still hasn't aired on the CW (they didn't air until March). Tyler doesn't think an S3 looks likely, so he goes out for a FOX pilot "Sons of Tucson" and lands the lead. FOX hires him specifically knowing that if Reaper is renewed, Tyler will HAVE to go back to the show.
In March, Bret Harrison and Ray Wise go on their "Reaper is premiering!" obligated media tours.
May starts and it's REALLY not looking like the CW is going to renew Reaper. So ABC Studios decides to try and find a new home for the show, just in case. This is reported by the Hollywood Reporter.
May upfronts: CW cancels Reaper, FOX picks up Sons of Tucson.
Tyler is now in a bind, because ABC Studios won't release him, because ABC Studios is *still* shopping for a new home for Reaper.
Enter the Reaper fandom. We very nearly get the show sold to syndication (although ABC Studios preferred cable). Long story, already boring you enough. Much drama ensued, including me personally calling up the person in charge of Reaper at ABC Studios.
First week of June, we get blindsided. Tyler convinced Bret to go with him and ask if they can be released from their Reaper contracts. Reason being to move on, but since a deal was so close to renewing them (it was reported ABC Studios had a cable network about to seal the deal), IMO this was more a tactic by Tyler to get out of his Reaper contract so he could star in his own show, instead of staying second banana on Reaper.
ABC Studios capitulated, releasing the entire cast and crew in June - 6 months after final stills, 3 weeks after final airing, and 2 weeks after the CW canceled it. This was personally confirmed to us by numerous other actors and crew members.
So take this story as you will into how these contracts work.
AJ is lovely and I love the JJ character, but no, that character is no substitute for Hotch and/or Morgan and I think the network knows that. I don't believe that is the reason the network brought her back. I believe the reason she was brought back are separate from anything that is going on with Gibson and Moore.
Thanks Jocelyn! Yeah that theory really doesn't make sense to me but I thought I'd voice my opinion on that scenario, however unlikely it may be. Just in case. Love me some Hotch! :-)
Anonymous: Can you pls explain to me exactly how you know for sure that there can be no CM soundtrack?
I expected that some songs would not be available for publication via this route but not all. I think more shows are using great music; maybe Grey's seemed to start it. I am looking at the volume II Grey's now and realizing that the easily recognizable names on it are The Fray, KT Tunstall, Gomez and Snow Patrol. Now as best I can tell, I think this is when the Fray and Snow Patrol really took off: from their exposure on Grey's. Do you think that's why their music was chosen: new, good but cheap?
Are you knowledgable re: rights and licensing for older more established artists?
Pls. tell me what you know, how you know or if you can direct me to a source. I had high hopes for this and I am bumming. I know nothing about what it would take to get an indie label to take on such an effort.
I'm leaving now because I am tired of the Seaver subject right down to her hair color and I was never a LOST fan so I have nothing to contribute on that topic.
Happy Easter to anyone who celebrates: may your baskets be filled with yummy chocolate bunnies:)
BTW, what's with all the deletes? I hope no one is getting us in trouble again...or are they biting their own tongues?
Aimee said...
AJ is a great gal and JJ is one of my favorite characters but she signed her new contract because she struck out during pilot season having been turned down by LOLA and she needed a job. There is NOTHING wrong with that. She has to work.
I'm leery about the accuracy of this as well. I think AJ should be receiving some profits off the A&E and ION syndication deals. So it's unlikely she "has" to work right now. More that she'd just like to.
Blue Sunflower,
How does any of that have to do with this situation.
Changed my mind. Must make one statement re: Seaver. At the idea of her and Reid together, I have 5 letters: GAG ME.
And I agree with whomever said Shemar smooches on everyone. It's what he does. Have seen him during interviews with fellow castmates and other females. Course, those other females were loving it and smooching him back (who wouldn't?!)
I have also seen Paget give MGG a kiss during an interview after watching Shemar kiss KV. Kinda surprised me because he looked a little surprised and embarassed.
What am I going on about smooching for? Because we may not get a CM soundtrack that's why and I am trying to distract myself...
G'nite folks!
Blue Sunflower,
How does any of that have to do with this situation.
Aimee's fearmongering insisting Gibson and Moore will have no contract starting at the end of business day on Monday, and that AJ was only brought back because there's such a "good chance" Gibson and Moore won't be returning - because of course, according to Aimee, their contracts expire this week.
Yes it's true Shemar macks on everyone, but you have to admit the one he planted on RN was way longer :)
Maybe that was just me playing it in slow motion...
No I checked. It was at least twice as long.
What's up with Shemar smooching up on all of the ladies on set? Hmm, have got to get an application to work at CM ASAP! LOL.. Maybe I'll be lucky enough to sneak a smooch from MGG too :)
Oh well, a girl can dream can't she :)
Anabelle said,
Chemistry with Reid where do you see that??? They have barely been in any scenes together thank God. I love the Reid character and would not want to have to block him out because of Seaver.
I agree with you completely, not to mention she might as well have told him to shut up on the plane. No, no chemistry there. No chemistry anywhere!
IMO, the best Shemar-CMcast smooch goes to he and Paget for this pic LOL http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/3900000/Paget-and-Shemar-emily-prentiss-3967270-429-600.jpg
Whatever is 'normal' procedure in contract negotiations, I will not feel comfortable until TG has signed. CBS have proven untrustworthy; I can only pray they've learned how integral TG is to Criminal Minds. Heck, he should have had at least 2 Emmy's by now for Hotch. If he isn't back next year (and no more of the bs of leaving a character totally out of an episode) then I will find something else to watch. AJ's return does not come close to what the loss of TG would do imho. No Hotch, no CM. I hope CBS is listening.
That is photoshopped
I guess you didn't see "The Stranger" then there was plenty of chemistry there.
Megan,
I am a Shemar groupie but I have to agree that for CBS not to renew both SM and TG, esp. after the AJ and PB scandal, would be disastrous for the show.
POSSIBLE SPOILERS:
I think people should be paying close attention to the repeat episodes they are showing between now and the finale. Specifically, right now they are showing "Reckoner" from last season, which deals with Hotch's relationship with his son. We know Jack will be appearing in the finale. Looks like they might be setting up a potential Hotch cliffhanger.
The other repeats they'll be showing are "JJ" and "What Happens at Home."
A Hotch cliffhanger with TG's contract not finalized? O_O No Hotch, No CM for me!! :-(
Ok so I went for coffee with a firend for a bit and now I am back. The last posts about Shemar macking on everyone is pretty funny. I cant stop laughing. He's so hot! Who wouldnt want to makeout with him?
Aimee,
I did not know or hear anything about AJ being on LOLA potentially. I heard NBC was considering her for a lead in a few of their pilots but no names. Was she considered for anything else? I think she would be a cool character on a sci-fi or supernatural type of show. I think she is perfect to play Gaia Moore from the Fearless by Francine Pascal series. The show was on The WB but was cancelled quite early, in the first episode because Rachael Leigh cook was not right for Gaia Moore. In my mind, whenever I read a fearless book, i always imagine Aj because of her portrayal as Shelby in Higher Ground. AJ has a lot of range and talent and she's very beautiful, but I think that becuase she's not the typical hollywood starlet nor is she willing to lower herself to certain "standards" posed by many of these producers, she doesnt always get the job.
Btw, does anyone know what happened to AJ's Living in Neon Drams Marily Manson movie project? It was a take on ALice in Wonderland back when Final Destiantion 2 came out and AJ would have been awesome in an Alice incarnation.
I refuse to believe that TG and SM are not coming back. AJ being back is great but for most viewers, TG and SM may just sink the CM ship.
Cliffhangers with no contract yet = possibly no good.
Let's hope these guys contract gets renewed by the latest June, hopefully before, way before.
I would miss Morgon but I dont think I would really be able to deal if Hotch was no longer on the show.
Also, where exactly is The Thirteenth Step ripped off from? I kinda liked that episode. Corazon was actually my least favorite.
Also, is anyone else watching "Reckoner" right now? Can someone explain this whole thing with Rossi and the Irish mob? I don't really remember this episode, but it's striking a chord now what with Doyle/IRA.
Like many others, I hate admiting I'm wrong but I just watched Today I do for the fourth time. I think that I was still so pissed about Seaver becoming a regular, and I still dont like her and she's still a bad fit, but I have to take back what I said about Seaver giving wrong information about cutting in that episode. She got it right. I find her tone of voice quite distracting. She sounds like she's ready to snap, crackle and pop in that episode when talking about cutting. She isnt too bad upon thrid or fourth viewings but I think I'm used to her even though I dislike her character and her chararcter is still not written very well. But I just wanted to say I got something wrong and I admit it.
My apologies to the writers of the episode.
I can only hope that CBS/TPTB are sensible enough to not make the same mistake two years in a row. While I am very happy over JJ's return, Criminal Minds just would not be the same without Hotch. It would effectively ruin it for me. I want lots of scenes with Hotch and JJ!!
Optika,
To me "The Thirteenth Step" is along the lines of "Bonnie and Clyde" and "Natural Born Killers".
Anonymous said...
I guess you didn't see "The Stranger" then there was plenty of chemistry there
I most certainly did see The Stranger. I've never missed a CM episode, but I failed to see this chemistry you're talking about so I watched it again just now. No chemistry there. If you're talking about the four of them going to the movie, which we've never seen in six seasons, I think that was just another ploy on the part of the writers to say, "Look, see the kids are playing well together. Please like Seaver." The fact that the writers have to do these things to try and force the audience into liking this character plainly says that the character can't stand on her own.
Gotta agree with anonymous. There was chemistry in The stranger and it will only get stronger over time.
There is even Reid and Seaver fanvids on youtube so there must have been many that has seen chemistry just not you so it seems.
And what are you even talking about with ploy. No they have never gone to the movies but they certainly have gone to dinner together.
What is the difference about this. There was no ploy at all and there was chemistry there you just don't see it because you don't like the character.
I don't know exactly what Pat is referring to when she says ploy, but for me it is a ploy not specifically in this instance of going to the movies, but as part of a collective of things to try and ingratiate this character to the audience. Additionally, I don't think it is a coincidence that this scene was inserted in the episode that was touted to be this characters big stepping up moment which for me was a "whatever" moment and yet another ploy not just to accept the character, but to someway explain her inexplicable presence on the team considering her rank; lack of experience, qualifications, credentials.
Chemistry is something that is subjective to the person viewing it, experiencing it. I don't think there is any there with this character where by now there should be. But again, that is a subjective thing.
We know Jack will be appearing in the finale. Looks like they might be setting up a potential Hotch cliffhanger.
We know that Jack will be appearing in the finale? How do we know that? I've not heard or seen anything that has said that. Jack is supposed to appear in the next episode 6.22. The only thing I've heard about the finale is that it is team centric, that they solve the case, but that uncertainty is in the air.
Happy Easter!
No Hotch/TG, no CM for me for S7, JJ or not. And that makes me very sad. CBS, sign TG, please and don't keep repeating your mistakes!
Happy Easter!
Michael said...
And what are you even talking about with ploy. No they have never gone to the movies but they certainly have gone to dinner together.
What is the difference about this.
Yes, we've seen the team have dinner together but it's always been on a case. We have seen the ladies, Emily, Garcia and JJ hang out together but never the guys.
What I mean by ploy is the things the writers are having the other characters do and say to make it look like Seaver is part of the family so we'll like her. Rossi playing video games with Seaver in his office, not likely. Then Morgan with "She'd want us to embrace Seaver." It didn't sound like something Morgan would say and it, once again, reeked of a plea to 'please like Seaver.' Now we're suddenly to believe that Morgan's spending his off time with Reid too instead of a woman. I doubt that very much, but they look for every opportunity to place Seaver in a position where they can say, "See, she's part of the family, everybody likes her."
We know from her practically telling Reid to shut up on the plane that she has absolutely no respect for him so, no, I don't see any chemistry there.
The character irritates me in the first place because she doesn't belong, but the writers, and the cast, throwing in these little scenes and pleas are making it even worse. She's had ten episodes to engraciate herself with the audience, at least with me, and she hasn't. If there was chemistry with the rest of the team, I think that would have happened long before now.
Doesnt anyone want to talk about AJ/JJ coming back? Y'know since we begged for her return and here she is. Besides, its most likey that Seaver will be off the show early in the new season anyway.
I agree with whoever siad that JJ is going to come back to help Hotch deal with the extra stuff. JJ may still be the team liason but she may have more responsibitiltes in addition to that.
Thanks Jessica for explaining The Thirteenth Step ripoff to me, I havent really seen either movie though Bonnie and Clyde was obvious and I dont know why it didnt come to mind.
As for the chemistry, let me make my opinion clear. i think that MGG/Reid and RN/Seaver have some romatnic chemistry , but it would work better in a different context than on CM. ALso, Seaver does not have onscreen chemistry with the rest of the team. Chemistry is different onscreen and off. Seaver does not fit into the feel and style and mold of CM. Now, whether or not you see chemistry or like the idea of Reid and Seaver together is up to you, but Seaver killed any chances with Reid in Coda anyway so lets try to remain calm. Also, it was already confirmed that there will be no cast members coupling up anyway.
Optika, I think you are way off base with any type of romantic chemistry with the Seaver and Reid characters, but even the hint of a MGG/Nichols chemistry is inappropiate and something I don't think should be discussed. I'm sure that they would agree.
Unless explored on the show, which I hope doesn't happen with those characters or any other characters on the show (with one another), I don't think it is something that should be discussed, let alone any hint of any type of personal linking. Let's just shelf that whole conversation. I'm not suggesting that you were trying to link them on a personal level, just that it could be taken that way and should just not be discussed.
Anonymous,
okay. I'm going to let go of this topic because its not really going anywhere anyway.Plus I'm more obsessed with Hotch anyway so there's the end of that, at least on my part.
I'm rewatching Coda right now and am at the scene where Hotch storms the house with police, everything is epic as usual with thier kevlar vests, then there's Seaver, standing around looking feirce but unable to do anything because she's a trainee still at that point. There was really no point of her going. To learn maybe, but she could've gotten hurt. Its really kinda funny becuase she looks so determined to do something and she just cant. To be clear, I am making fun of the general situation and the serious but subtly funny way that particular scene is shot. Watch it before you make a comment on it please. Just to see what I mean.
optika. RN will not be off the show early in season 7. How did you even come to this comclusion.
Not to mention it will put CBS in such a bad light. Do you really think any new actress would even want to work on CBS or this show again if they fire another actress just like that one that was supposed to come in because AJ left but is now returning. They will not just drop an actress like that again just because AJ returns it will also get the media spinning that these 2 hate each other and it would be a big mess in every way
I have seen no indication that she will be gone. TG and Messer both spoke of RN/Seaver as she is now part of the family and they like the new addition to the team. And right now she is gaining more and more that like her.
if they just cut her as well the seaver fans will also be angry by that. I have seen twitter postes saying if they drop RN they wsill not watch anymore.
No they have to keep her with the rest of them. The writers has also said they want to keep her. And it would be the only and right thing to do.
They said they are gonna let seaver grow.
Whether or not Rachel will return to the next season, there is precedence on CBS for firing actors, particularly when the actors they replaced come back (CSI: Miami and Adam Rodriguez/Eddie Cibrian; CSI: LV and Jorja Fox/Lauren Lee Smith). CBS treated so many women on its shows shabbily last year, but that didn't stop other actors from wanting to work there.
Michael, nobody knows what is going to happen come season 7 so I think at this point everyone should just wait and see what is going to happen. I'm hoping that the network will wise up and give TG and SM their contracts. Also hoping that Paget will return, but as been said endless times, that is something that is up to her and I sincerely do hope the best for her pilot. A decision about that is just around the corner. I think the NBC upfronts are either on May 16 or May 18.
With regard to RN possible being let go and that putting CBS in a negative light, I don't believe that is correct on a large scale, nor can you compare a firing of an actress that had been with the show from the beginning to one that has only been there for part of a season. AJ coming back may effect RN's status on the show, that is not something that hasn't happened before on other shows. The characters on CSI Miami were all sort of "stand in's" for previous characters but were eliminated at the end of their one season due to viewer reception. RN's character is not a long-standing character on the show and in the svheme of things is expendable. If, as you say, you've seen people tweet that they will no longer watch the show if RN is not on it, then I would say that they are more fans of RN than CM because how can it be that a character that has been on for less than a full season would cause a long time fan of the show to abandon ship if removed (plus I don't think that number of people no longer tuning in if RN is no longer on the show will make any sort of significant dent in viewership, not in the slightest). Even in the case of Gideon and Elle, these were characters that put more of a stamp on the team than RN's character. Hotch, Morgan, JJ, Prentiss, those are characters were I can see people saying that they will no longer watch if they are not on the show. Those characters have helped shape the BAU team that people have fallen in love with and have tuned in week after week to see. Seaver has been on for 10 or so episodes, I think in the end it will be maybe 15 episodes in total, a 15 episode or so character being removed is not cause for the network to be quaking in their boots, especially not one that it seems hasn't garnered much favorable reception as evidenced not only in the forums and comments in other non- forum places, but in the TV Guide article where RN herself states that her character has not been received well.
I highly doubt that any actress would turn down a role in a show on the #1 television network. Again, not something that CBS is staying up late at night worrying about if they let RN go, which I think they should do as the character, in my opinion, is just all around bad.
And I've seen postings where people say if Ashley stays, THEY'LL stop watching. Let's face it, one group of fans or another is not going to get what they want in this case and will be angry and disappointed. We just don't know which group that will be yet.
And the writers definitely have no pull with the network. Do you really think any of the writers wanted to get rid of AJ or Paget? NO of course they didn't. But that didn't stop CBS from firing them anyway.
CBS is the number one TV network; there is a line of actors and actresses just waiting to get a deal for a show there, and like LaShawna said, there is a precedence for dropping characters off of shows at CBS and all of the other TV networks and cable. There is nothing new or spectacular about that, it happens all of the time.
I've seen those posts too LaShawna. I think those kinds of posts along with other factors of course is what led the network to ask AJ to come back. They are trying to put back all of the pieces of the puzzle they smashed to bits. Trying to fix what they broke.
Michael,
check yourself and look at what you wrote becuase you jump to RN's/Seaver's defense at every little thing.
I was writing what I think will happen. The writers like the idea of the Seaver character and everyone likes RN. She may be a good friend of the cast and crew now but NO ONE has actually stated that she is part of the tv show BAU family. No one. Only that cast and crew and writers want certain types of people to stop harassing and attacking Rachel on her real life personaltiy and stuff.
i've grown to like RN, but I wouldnt miss her on CM and there are still a number of ppl who wouldnt miss her on the show either. You can tell by the blog posts. Many reviewrs have even said that Seaver is not a well liked character and Seaver is not a well written character for the most part. Her whole characterization does not make sense at all. She's strong, she's weak, unique perspective that she does not have but is said to, she's just your typical rookie agent.
ANd btw, anyone can answer this question but have you ever seen a tv show where two actresses with similar appearances are on the show as regular cast members? Becuase I have never seen it with two blondes in a serious tv show.
Besides, CM is AJ's rightful place and she was there first. For all anyone knows, RN may have signed a contract for just one season and producers may have just told her that they want to see how this season pans out for her and that she may not come back for next season. I'm sure RN is aware that she may not be back next season or that even if she is, it may not be for long.
As for CBS, looking bad, thats on them. I'm sure that when tv shows are first being made, the cast may not always know what network they will be on for sure.
I dont see AJ and RN being on the same show but right now, everything is still in negotiations. Besides, i read on Anna Fleiner's twitter that there is no word on if RN is coming back or not.
If Seaver stays, then she needs to be rectified and in small doses without any emotional trickery shoved down viewrs throats to make us like Seaver. Otherwise, we've got AJ. Besides, at this point, I think people just want Thomas Gibson and Shemar Moore back more than ever. The show is close to to returning to its normal feel for next season. Why mess it up?
ANyway, even the writing has implied that Seaver may not be in the BAU for long. In Friends Like These, Hotch said himself that Seaver is on the team on a probationary basis. Yes so was every other agent but its a bit different with Seaver considering a vast majority dislike the character, nothing to do with the actress for most. So please, dont jump all over me. Its not like my saying this stuff will make it so. you act like i have power over the situation somehow. Chill out Mikey. RN will be around in Conan, The Loop and reruns of ALias and other movie dvds. She's a successful enough actress. RN will be fine. If anything, she will take the high road as well, like AJ and look at being on CM as a wonderful oppurtunity where she made some great friends. But unfortuatnely for her, neither RN or Ashley Seaver is a Clarice Starling type. Not a good, valid one anyway.
Now I gotta go to work.
Thank you everyone between my post and Michael's.
I dont want to sound hostile but this is just a pattern, albeit negative and everyone wishes the best for RN as a person and her career. The best for her may be some other thing than CM though becuase unfortuantly she doesnt fit.
Thanks
I thought at first that JJ might have taken the profiling courses, looking for a way to get back to where she really wanted to be, but, as has been mentioned, if Hotch is to cover some of Stauss' duties, it might be imperative that he have help... enter JJ.
I agree with that moment in Coda. I didn't have to rewatch it because I thought the same thing at the time. There are often times when Reid or JJ weren't involved in a raid and they usually just stayed at the precinct. I think it's another instance where the writers felt they had to put Seaver in there but they didn't know what to do with her so she just stood there. I agree it did look awkward.
I'm hoping for a return to the great writing of previous seasons next year. I really believe that TG will have a reduced role and I will miss him. However my sense is that he knows this too and is really ok with it. If the writing,characters, cases are compelling I will watch. I was acutely aware of how pat the dialogue was in the last new episode we saw a couple of weeks ago; there was a time when I knew the names of the individual episodes now I don't bother. I had an image of a collection of large recipe boxes, each labeled with a differnt: type of killer; method of kill; victim; where the body was found,etc., etc., ( add your own). And then each box subdivided into a section for each of the team. As called for the lines are handed out and recycled for future use.
Glad to have this forum instead of just yelling this stuff at the TV.
Optika. You say and some others say she doesn't fit. But there is also those that say she is a great fit because she is a fresh face for CM and like her.
Show idea with TG and Paget: The Adams Family with TG as Gomez and Paget as Morticia. They both have great comic chops and they would look great in the parts
Can they just send Seaver to the spin-off? That way the people who love her would start watching it (and let's face it, they need the ratings) and won't matter if she is a newbie/cadet/recruit because they are "red cells" in there and with a british man and an ex con, it's clear that they do whatever they want.
And that way we can go back to having the show we've known and loved for 5 years.
Honestly, I would prefer a team of 6, and I mean with 6 character I like and care for (JJ included).
And I'm really not willing to give this character more time to grow, especially because this was a season where mostly every character was underused, I don't want to take time away from them to give to Seaver. And on that note, how many more episodes does she need to show her true value? I'm pretty sure that by 10 episodes mark, Emily and Rossi were part of the team, and there was no need for any other character/producer/actor to vouch for them.
Michael,
please dont get me started again.
up until Seaver got her offical badge, she always had the deer in headlights look. I never heard about hate for Rossi or Emily, I'm sure it took a few eps for ppl to adjust to them but I liked them both right away. And I'm all for new, fresh faces. Thats what recurring and guest stars are for though. The original CM cast should not have been messed with. Elle and Gideon leaving turned into something that was better for the show and it was organic too.
I think JJ and Hotch will end up having almost the same level of authority and credentials. From Lauren, it sounded as if she's made a lot of contacts, especially within the CIA. That could come in handy in future episodes.
Also, I resent the fact that there are so many layers to the season 5 cast and still so much to explore with them, why all of a sudden is there a big deal about Seaver needing to grow. Seaver has practically no personality, she's been in enough episodes to show some kind of spark but no, nothing. Lets work on the beloved characters we have cuz they can use some more fleshing out and that should be done before a new face shows up again.
Can't do anything about Seaver but we CAN about TG/SM. They need to sign our men and quit fooling around. TG is an Emmy-quality actor, constantly overlooked by everyone EXCEPT a very large, very loyal CM fan base. And whether or not he's your fave, he IS critical to the show. S6 has sucked and for me, alot of that due to too little Hotch. Better be fixed for next year and Hotch back to the forefront for me to keep watching. I realize this might not mean much to the jerks at CBS, but I feel better knowing I won't be the only one. Do us all a favor and sign TG!
Lisa,
Yes. TG is underappreciated. He was even voted EW's most underappreciated entertainer. How he didn't win an Emmy for 100 is beyond me. I think CM definitely needs to utilize him more. He is a very versatile and talented actor IMO. For CBS to keep minimizing his screen time like they did in S6 would be a big fat shame. I vote for less unsubs, less guest stars, and more of Gibson. More of the rest of the cast too actually (except for Seaver), but definitely more Hotch!! And without Hotch in S7 then I am gone too.
We can't do anything about any of them, they are all up in the air except for AJ, MGG, KV and JM. All we can do is voice our opinions and concerns and hope that TPTB make the appropiate decisions.
Diana said....
"I vote for less unsubs, less guest stars, and more of Gibson. More of the rest of the cast too actually (except for Seaver), but definitely more Hotch!!"
Put my vote right along yours!
Thomas Gibson seriously got ripped off for not even being nominated for 100! That was the best acting I've ever seen from a male actor in that type of situation!
All the actors are underappreciated though!
Why is CBS waffling on TG and SM's contracts? Unless they are asking for the moon, which I somehow doubt, I really don't get it. I need my Hotch fix, CBS! Don't wait for the fans to form a mutiny, renew Hotch ASAP please!
All I have to say is, if Thomas Gibson doesn't return for next season, CBS and I will never hear the end of it from my wife. So for my, and your, sanity's sake, please have Mr Gibson return next year.
i WROTE TO CBS DEMANDING THEM TO GET THOMAS gIBSON AND sHEMAR mOORE BACK! sORRY ABOUT THE CAPS. DAMN COMPUTER!
For CBS to keep minimizing his screen time like they did in S6 would be a big fat shame
CBS doesn't write the episodes. If you want to be angry at somone for reducing TG's screentime you need to aim your ire at the writers.
sf81387 said...
"CBS doesn't write the episodes. If you want to be angry at someone for reducing TG's screentime you need to aim your ire at the writers."
I have to agree with this.
Especially, because when asked about the limited time his character got this season, even TG seems surprised and unsure as to why that happened.
Between episodes trying to give the network a big FU, forcing an unfitting character down our throats, ripping movies off and spending way too much time with unsubs, sometimes even glorifying their acts like in the 13th step, I guess there wasn't enough time to work on the characters they still got, other than the 3 min "secrets" they promised.
And I'm not even including 25 to life in this. Because it's to this day, the only episode of CM I couldn't even finish.
CBS doesn't write the episodes. If you want to be angry at somone for reducing TG's screentime you need to aim your ire at the writers.
Well then, writers: consider my ire aimed at you!
Between episodes trying to give the network a big FU, forcing an unfitting character down our throats, ripping movies off and spending way too much time with unsubs, sometimes even glorifying their acts like in the 13th step, I guess there wasn't enough time to work on the characters they still got, other than the 3 min "secrets" they promised.
I heartily second all these sentiments.
I disagree that there's been too little Hotch this season. IMO it was a strong way to save the role after the storylines all but killed him off as a viable character over Season 5. Ideally, there should have been more sign of the man being given professional help and time to process all of those Biblical afflictions but in the absence of that just letting him drop out of view somewhat allowed the extremes to fade. I guess the writers realised they'd gone too far.
It's perhaps time now to let him come forward more.
The thing I can't fathom is how come none of the others came forward as Hotchner went into retreat. There were two exit arcs to write, and a new character to introduce but how come this Season was so uneventful in character terms for pretty much everyone? As a rule I don't mind this. My favourite CM episodes don't focus on anyone, and I've enjoyed the cases. It's just that looking back, I can't bring to mind a stand-out moment for anyone.
The biggest shame for me in this is underuse of Joe Mantegna. Can't remember the last time that they got him to do anything that cuts to the heart, which is nuts -- he is the one you really could write for. (To that end, great that David Mamet is one of his guest speakers for the walk of fame unveiling). Morgan has had a bit of time in the spotlight. Reid got to pinch the bridge of his nose a few times, but apart from that I don't know where the time has gone. Garcia does Am Dram. One episode. Ok. But what about the rest? It's not even that Seaver has taken too much actual time. She's taken a lot of everyone's emotional time round here (!) but to an impartial view, there's not a whole lot for her either. She had one special episode to introduce her and has been background ever since. (Hence people's lack of clarity about her character and role.)
Did Prentiss's departure really swallow up all the Season 6?
I'm puzzled where it's gone.
My main greedy one-eyed hope for next Season is that there is one writer or two who look seriously at what JM can do. You'd think the show would want that. You're paying him the money, you must be daft not to get the guy to do what he can do best.
UK viewer
UK viewer, I totally agree! They've only given Joe 'walk on' parts, it seems like. This whole season and actually for quite some time we haven't seen much of Joe and it's high-time they get to writin' for our fave guy!
Rossi can and should be utilized as the senior profiler that he is. Give him some gritty scenes to work thru with the group - something to show he's just not the 'papa' figure they've used him for this season.
They should really give each of the cast a premier episode to showcase their talents. I think you can get lost in an emsemble but lately they've just been focusing on developing the lost cause that is Seaver and getting rid of the strong and capable Paget and AJ.
They need to get back to what made this show great in the first place.
Nanci, I don't know if I'm just making it all up in my Rossi-adoring heart (it's more than possible!), but I always have the impression that he knows what's going on behind the scenes, what Strauss is up to, what the plans are for Morgan, Hotch, Seaver etc. He seems to see it. If this is not just fumes from my dopey Rossi-adoring heart, I'd like some episode to show us how he has this behind the scenes insight. And why doesn't he want status? He came back to the BAU and deliberately seemed to step away from actual status. It's not just JM that's underused, there's also this whole aspect of non-linear command-structure stuff. It's so profilery too. Influence by observation. Perhaps it's better kept shadowy, but I'd like the odd glimpse...
UK viewer
UK, I understand. When Rossi came back to the BAU, Strauss told him he wouldn't be the lead and he was OK with that.
I, too, believe he knows what goes on behind the scenes. You can see it when he comes up to Morgan or Hotch and makes 'observatory' comments about what's going on...he's sees things. Like when Morgan took over as unit leader and Rossi went up to Hotch and said something along the lines of "he's doing good"....or when Morgan was walking past Rossi's door for the umpteenth time and Rossi called him in and they talked about Hotch coming back after Foyet's initial attack. Rossi knows 'stuff'....and not just the funny stuff! He didn't get to be senior profiler by chance. He's been at it awhile even if he did take time off to write books. The books were about profiling!
I would love to have more Rossi in the episodes - hopefully S7 will get back to some great writing and give our guy a chance to shine. I'm keeping my fingers crossed...
I agree with JM not having barely anything of substance to do. JM is a fantatsic actor and the highest paid actor on the show. You'd think they'd want to captialize on that, but Oh well...
On the flip side, there is the Unit Chief who is still Hotch, right? First, we have the dreadful "25 to life" episode where Hotch doesn't even make an appearance, not counting his "phone conversation" with Rossi in the beginning of the episode, and the famous e-mail to Prentiss allowing cadet Seaver, who in the previous episode disobeyed a direct order and nearly got herself killed and placed others at grave risk, the permission to complete her remedial training at the BAU. I guess that scene in the plane at the end of the "What Happens at Home" episode where Hotch reams her out for having disobeyed his orders and creating a dangerous situation was just placed there for dramatic effect and instead is something that would bolster ones chances of being placed with the BAU; such out of character writing makes me want to scream. But I digress. Hotch shouldn't dominate every scene, but as the Unit Chief, his presence should be registered. There were some episodes this season where I had forgotten that he was even in a scene that upon going back to he was clearly in. That is just dreadful.
It's not that Seaver had an over abundance of scenes, although I think one could show where she's had more than Hotch which is dreadful, it is what she has done in those scenes. Whereas for me I did not register Hotch being in some episodes because either he wasn't there, or he had been made into such a wallflower, I did register Seaver because her presence was completely unwarranted, useless, annoyning, redunant, and frustrating as it took away screen time from the more interesting characters who actually have a purpose for being there. In a 42 minute show, time is precious. Listening to this character prattle on with basic training questions and insights that are either off or redundant, or that one of the more interesting and enjoyable characters to watch can offer, is just a pitiful waste of time. The stepping up episode, "The Stranger," was little more than another example of wasted time for a character that just does not belong on this show.
Garcia has been getting more screen time, but the screen time has involved her presenting the cases which is sad. In whatever capacity that JJ returns, I hope that part of her function will be to present the case to the team. The jumbled way in which Garcia presents the cases has been grating on my nerves. She flinches at the thought of what these unsubs have done and can't even bring herself to look at some of the images of their crimes. Please have JJ do this upon her return to the team.
I would like to see a return to a more relaxed and jovial Morgan. I love the intensity of his character with all of its emotional range, but I miss the lighter side of Morgan. Please, oh please, let's return to genius Dr. Reid. When I look at some of the older episodes, I am captivated by the feats of genius this character has performed on the show. This season he has been sidelined with on and off headaches. Let's scrap the headache story, please, and get back to what makes Reid special and dynamic.
I'm curious to how JJ will make her return to the team. For right now, I am leaving that as an open slate, except please have her present the cases to the team instead of Garcia. Prentiss, well, that is certainly the mystery of season 7 isn't it. Will she or won't she return? I would adore if Prentiss would return, but Paget is working on another project that by all accounts she would like to succeed, so I can do little more than wish her the best but still hold out hope that she return.
I hope season 7 is less about unsubs and high priced guest stars. I would love to see a return to the cleverely engaging writing of yesteryear with characters that fit for the scheme of the team that the show is based upon.
Yeah, he's a natural. Others have the training and the text books and they perfect their skills, but Rossi's just naturally devious! In good ways. I also think he sees Stuff effortlessly. It would be good to have the camera inside his head for a stretch. Kind of 'behind his eyes', except that we wouldn't get to see him...
Nanci, you know what I like? I think we disagree about loads of other stuff with CM, but Rossi conquers all!!
UK viewer
Disagreeing is OK but Rossi rules! LOL! As long as we agree on that - it's all good!
Not to change the subject, UK - but I'll be up bright and early Friday for the royal wedding - can't wait!!!
IMO it was a strong way to save the role after the storylines all but killed him off as a viable character over Season 5.
I disagree. I don't think that the Season 5 storylines killed Hotch off as a viable character. If anything, I think it made Hotch's story more compelling and gave him depth. Hotch is my favorite character because he intrigues me. OK, so I admit that it doesn't hurt one bit that TG happens to be a sexy mofo, but the fact of the matter is, Hotch is the character on CM that I respect and admire the most. I see Hotch as this stoic hero just trying his best to bring about justice in this world, even at the cost of his own personal life. He has integrity, is always professional, and protects his team from unsubs and meddling directors *cough* Strauss *cough* alike. Hotch is not perfect but he tries. The glimpses into his personal demons and struggles are a nice contrast to the brave face he puts on. For the writers to just skip Hotch's grieving process and have him back to happy Father to Jack and going about work like nothing is a failure to capitulate on that great background and story that they came up with in prior Seasons. I personally would like to see even more fleshing out of Hotch next season.
There were two exit arcs to write, and a new character to introduce but how come this Season was so uneventful in character terms for pretty much everyone?
I think the answer to your question is in the first part of your sentence, ironically. LOL. IMO, this season has been spent trying to compensate for the bad decisions of letting AJ and Paget go and introducing a character that is not fit for the show. I believe that they have realized this and are now rectifying it by getting AJ back and trying to get Paget back as well. I wish Paget's pilot the best but I am not gonna lie - I hope she comes back to CM.
The biggest shame for me in this is underuse of Joe Mantegna.
Agreed. Though like others have said, pretty much the entire cast has been underused this Season. I think Joe is a great and talented actor, and I hate to see him spending his screentime reduced to playing daddy to Seaver. I think that in the writers' efforts to come up with ways for Seaver to be liked by the fans, the other characters are being written out of character. :(
It's not even that Seaver has taken too much actual time. She's taken a lot of everyone's emotional time round here (!)
I think Seaver has had more screentime than Rossi ever since she was added. I could be wrong, but that is the impression left on my brain. But I do agree that the Seaver character is taking up a lot of emotional time, not only for the fans because she causes such a visceral reaction, but also for the writers. The writers are too busy trying to think of ways to get the fans to like Seaver that the rest of the writing (plot, other characters) suffer.
It's not that Seaver had an over abundance of scenes, although I think one could show where she's had more than Hotch which is dreadful, it is what she has done in those scenes. Whereas for me I did not register Hotch being in some episodes because either he wasn't there, or he had been made into such a wallflower, I did register Seaver because her presence was completely unwarranted, useless, annoyning, redunant, and frustrating as it took away screen time from the more interesting characters who actually have a purpose for being there. In a 42 minute show, time is precious. Listening to this character prattle on with basic training questions and insights that are either off or redundant, or that one of the more interesting and enjoyable characters to watch can offer, is just a pitiful waste of time. The stepping up episode, "The Stranger," was little more than another example of wasted time for a character that just does not belong on this show.
Totally agree with all of this.
Garcia has been getting more screen time, but the screen time has involved her presenting the cases which is sad.
Again, another of the detrimental after-effects of AJ not being on the show. Garcia is a lighthearted character and to have her in serious roles like she was this season, it was OOC for her and you then have her lighthearted moments missing from the show, making the tone too dark.
I can only agree with all of the last several writers re: Rossi. Here you have this really good actor doing hardly anything except saying "that can't be good" or playing Daddy to Seaver.
I hate what they've done to Hotch. I loved him as the strong team leader who in spite of all his responsibilities always thought about and took care of the needs of his team. Even when he had to call them to task it was done with fairness. I could never buy his less than tough response to Seaver when she put them all in danger. I know I'm dragging up the past a bit here but I don't think they should have killed off Haley, I liked the tension that relationship brought to his life and the show. She was the only one who could call him on his total dedication to the job.
As this season has progressed or "devolved" we've seen him diminished and all we see is this very stern, unapproachable man. All the characters seem like cariciatures of the originals but Hotch more than any.
I know that in that recent episode where they had him doing those grief assessemnts he had more of a role but I had a really hard time with that whole thing. Hotch as therapist? Please!
I want to see him dealing with his own grief. I want to see a human being again. OK, let him be strong and stoic quite a lot of the time,but let some vulnerability come through.
Hotch as therapist? Please!
He wasn't playing therapist. All he was doing was assessing each one of them to determine where they were in the grief process, mostly to apease Strauss, but also to determine if maybe they did need some "professional" help dealing with what happened. It seemed perfectly logical to me. Who knows any of them better than Hotch does? He'd be able to see through any lies they might try to tell and if they'd just inserted some random supervisor in there to do the assessments, lie is exactly what they would've done.
Personally, I haven't noticed that Hotch has been shoved into the background or that he's been shown to be out of character or whatever else the gripes have been about him.
The Hotchalanche he delivered on Seaver was plenty harsh. What was he supposed to do? Slap her around a bit? She was a cadet that he dragged out of the academy to help out with a case. IMO, his reaction to what she did was fueled more by fear over what could've happened her than any kind of real anger. He let her know she screwed up and that he wouldn't tolerate any future screw-ups of that magnitude. Was he supposed to be so verbally abusive that it destroyed her when it was partially his fault for bringing someone that green into the thick of things?
My biggest gripe with Season 6 (and I don't really have many) is that they spent too much time exiting two characters and they lost their focus in the process. It was all very distracting. JJ should've just been gone. We didn't need all the silliness that followed with Garcia. I've made my feelings pretty clear about that horrific Prentiss arc so I won't go there again.
I see nothing wrong with Seaver, i think she will become a great character on the show.
Presntiss and Rossi took some time as well, to get used to, and i am already used to seaver, she was great in "Stranger" episode.
Anonymous - keep beating that dead horse - it won't get you anywhere. You keep repeating the same sentence over and over - "she'll be great, give her time'....yada, yada, yada.
She's out of time and as far as being great - that ship sailed LONG ago! But you keep it up if it makes you feel better.
I think the verbal rebuke Hotch gave Ashley was sufficient, but I can't imagine why he would think it was a good idea for her to continue her remedial training with the team. He didn't exactly drag her out into the field; he just wanted her to answer some questions. She was the one who insisted on coming with them. And she failed to follow simple, basic instructions her first time out, because she was so wrapped up in her own emotional pain that she couldn't really do her job. She was so focused on apologizing for the serial killer's family, she didn't even realize how much danger she was in until it was too late and she needed to be rescued.
sf81387 , I agree with every word of your post
"sf81387 said...
Hotch as therapist? Please!
He wasn't playing therapist. All he was doing was assessing each one of them to determine where they were in the grief process, mostly to apease Strauss, but also to determine if maybe they did need some "professional" help dealing with what happened. It seemed perfectly logical to me. Who knows any of them better than Hotch does? He'd be able to see through any lies they might try to tell and if they'd just inserted some random supervisor in there to do the assessments, lie is exactly what they would've done.
Personally, I haven't noticed that Hotch has been shoved into the background or that he's been shown to be out of character or whatever else the gripes have been about him.
The Hotchalanche he delivered on Seaver was plenty harsh. What was he supposed to do? Slap her around a bit? She was a cadet that he dragged out of the academy to help out with a case. IMO, his reaction to what she did was fueled more by fear over what could've happened her than any kind of real anger. He let her know she screwed up and that he wouldn't tolerate any future screw-ups of that magnitude. Was he supposed to be so verbally abusive that it destroyed her when it was partially his fault for bringing someone that green into the thick of things?
My biggest gripe with Season 6 (and I don't really have many) is that they spent too much time exiting two characters and they lost their focus in the process. It was all very distracting. JJ should've just been gone. We didn't need all the silliness that followed with Garcia. I've made my feelings pretty clear about that horrific Prentiss arc so I won't go there again."
LaShawna said...
"I think the verbal rebuke Hotch gave Ashley was sufficient, but I can't imagine why he would think it was a good idea for her to continue her remedial training with the team. He didn't exactly drag her out into the field; he just wanted her to answer some questions. She was the one who insisted on coming with them. And she failed to follow simple, basic instructions her first time out, because she was so wrapped up in her own emotional pain that she couldn't really do her job. She was so focused on apologizing for the serial killer's family, she didn't even realize how much danger she was in until it was too late and she needed to be rescued."
Exactly!!!!!!
Well Nanci, i can say the same thing to you, by you beating a dead horse, because you keep complaining about seaver over and over, and saying the same thing over and over also.
I would say that is also beating a dead horse.
Well Reid didn't follow orders in a episode in season 6 aswell. And he is not new, so his mistake is even worse then seaver's mistake.
But i guess its ok for him to do it by you?
Anonymous - yes, it is...Reid can do anything he wants. He's been there long enough, has enough experience and especially the genius intellect to do whatever he wants to do.
Next...?
I think the verbal rebuke Hotch gave Ashley was sufficient, but I can't imagine why he would think it was a good idea for her to continue her remedial training with the team.
Why not? Training is part of what they do.
He didn't exactly drag her out into the field; he just wanted her to answer some questions. She was the one who insisted on coming with them. And she failed to follow simple, basic instructions her first time out, because she was so wrapped up in her own emotional pain that she couldn't really do her job. She was so focused on apologizing for the serial killer's family, she didn't even realize how much danger she was in until it was too late and she needed to be rescued.
Regardless of how she ended up in the field with them, he was responsible for allowing her to be there and therefore responsible for her safety. Of course she was wrapped up in her emotions. She wasn't a hardened, experienced profiler. She was just a cadet with no field experience reliving some painful memories, memories she thought she'd dealt with or lived with every day, but realized she hadn't until she came face to face with a taste of reality. Of course she had to be rescued. Could you imagine the uproar from the detractors if she'd behaved like anything but an inexperinced cadet in that situation? If she'd managed to take the unsub down alone this blog would've exploded. LOL
Reid can do anything he wants. He's been there long enough, has enough experience and especially the genius intellect to do whatever he wants to do.
Actually no he can't and it's kind of ridiculous to suggest otherwise. I think Hotch was too concerned about him to yell at him, plus, unlike in Elephants Memory, he didn't put other people's lives in danger.
The BAU is supposed to be for people up to snuff to be there, but as they had to find someway for this implausible character to get on there....
Yes, the fact that she ended up on the field is Hotch's responsibility, but that goes back to the out of character writing suggest that he'd okay someone like a cadet coming along with them in the first place, let alone training with them. The whole thing is just off imo.
By the way, lovely article with AJ. I cannot wait until she is back and am anxious to see in what capacity she returns. TG and SM had better be there come S7 too!!!! Still hoping Paget will return.
Reid was an experienced and official part of the team in Elephant's memory. For Hotch to talk to him sternly about something foolish he did is completely understandable; and if you remember, he said that if he ever do something like that again, he'd fire him. He was talking to Reid as what he was, and still is, an employee under his authority. IMO, you can't compare an experienced member of the team to a cadet who really had no business going along for that case in the first place, they could have gotten whatever information they needed speaking to her just as they have with other people they've needed information from, except that they had to figure out a way to get this character out on the field when she really shouldn't have been. In the end, it resulted in nothing information wise, but something in that she placed her life at risk as well as the lives of others.
Well said Carmela...
and for the record, I was being facetious. Of course, he can't do just anything he wants...good grief. He's a team member just like everyone else and subject to the same rules as the others.
As far as Seaver is concerned, she never should have been there in the first place.
Oh yes she should. You have to start somewhere.
I bet Reid and Morgan also learned this way.we just did not see it.
I am really getting tired of this seaver complaining and it all comes from the same people, she does not fit yada yada yada.
Well the writers and the cast thinks she fits quite nicely and they like this new aspect to team.
Finally something new is happening on this show instead of the same ol' same ol'
Carmela,
I don't undertand where your comments about Reid's situation in Elephant's Memory is coming from. Who was comparing that to anything Seaver's done? All I said was what he did there was worse than what he did in the headache episode this season because he put other people's lives in danger..... you know, because there was a complaint that Reid screwed up in Season 6 and didn't get yelled at and nobody's complaining about that. Apparently it's a tit for tat thing now. :b
Well it works both ways- it's the same people who always defend her and always say the same things. Look, if people don't like this character, no amount of "give her a chance" or "she's part of the family" is going to convince us. Because we don't feel she is part of the family or fits in with the team. Some of us JUST DON'T LIKE ASHLEY, and some of us never will. Some of you do like Ashley and always will. *shrugs*
Finally something new is happening on this show instead of the same ol' same ol'
Yes apparently there is. JJ is coming back mean and lean. LOL
sf81387 said...
"Why not? Training is part of what they do."
From what I understand, training was NEVER suppose to be the BAU job! To put it simply, the BAU job is to go out there, do the profiling and catch the unsub ASAP to save life. When did they ever train anyone?
In the pilot, Gideon's teaching a profiling class and I believe Hotch and Rossi sometime teach at the academy too. That's where Seaver should be, not in the middle of the BAU being taught and fussed over by the whole team, enjoying the perk that's never been given to anyone like a privilege trainee that she has become!
Well she is a agent now so she do belong and like the writers said they like this aspect of her being a daughter of a serial killer. She lived it.
She can contribute to so many things and these things will come to light in the future. The people that don't like seaver can just not see it, because they have set in mind that they do not like her no matter what she does.
The writers will write some great stuff for her like the CM writers said in a recent interview they said she will grow as a character.
sf81387 I was more adressing the fact that both of them got a talking to which I believe should have been done. One came off more harsh then the other to some, but I think in both cases something being said was warranted and that they were both in different positions when it happened.
You know what I think it's really, really funny? More in a tragic way, though?
Is the fact that the biggest problem with this character not being accepted, it’s that we are such good fans and pay so much attention to the show and the episodes, that we know that she doesn’t fit, that she doesn’t belong. And no amount of excuses or different approaches will ever disguise that.
I guess maybe this character was created for the casual viewer who doesn't care for the history of the show and its details.
I vote for them to let this character go. I haven’t seen this much drama around since CBS messed with AJ and Paget. And I’d love for a new season free of all this debating and maybe having the show go back to what the show used to be like = perfect.
Anonymous said...
"From what I understand, training was NEVER suppose to be the BAU job! To put it simply, the BAU job is to go out there, do the profiling and catch the unsub ASAP to save life. When did they ever train anyone?
In the pilot, Gideon's teaching a profiling class and I believe Hotch and Rossi sometime teach at the academy too. That's where Seaver should be, not in the middle of the BAU being taught and fussed over by the whole team, enjoying the perk that's never been given to anyone like a privilege trainee that she has become!"
Yes and also agree with LaShawna's last post.
No you are horrible fans that do not support it.
Rachel should stay!!!
We haven't even scratched the surface with her character.
She will be a great asset to the team.
Carlos said...
"Well she is a agent now so she do belong and like the writers said they like this aspect of her being a daughter of a serial killer. She lived it."
Didn’t she say that she had no idea he was a serial killer until he was arrested? And for what I remember, the only thing she could actually say about her serial killer dad, was the fact that he wouldn’t allow her to have a pet. Plus, for all I know, that storyline has been dropped. No more mention lately.
And she is a brand new agent with absolutely no experience. She could go away for 10 years and then come back and try to apply for this job. This job that requires knowledge in psychology, which I don’t think she has, experience, which she doesn’t have and for her to prove she belongs, which she hasn't done.
She did prove she belongs in "The Stranger" Hotch even said that to her.
I think he knows more then people that never gave her a chance
If she has come in and known all like reid or asking questions. You people that don't like her wouldn't have accepted her either.
And that just shows your problems with this character is superficial and plain ridiculous
Carlos said...
"No you are horrible fans that do not support it.
Rachel should stay!!!
We haven't even scratched the surface with her character.
She will be a great asset to the team."
Carlos,
1- We are not horrible because we don't like one character out of 8.
2 -This isn't about Rachel, it's about Seaver. And Seaver has got to go.
3 - Surface? Ashley Seaver's a cadet, with no experience who haven't brought anything new to the team. I don't need to see any further than that.
4 - She had 10 episodes to become an asset. She failed. Good-bye!
Carlos said...
She did prove she belongs in "The Stranger" Hotch even said that to her.
I think he knows more then people that never gave her a chance
If she has come in and known all like reid or asking questions. You people that don't like her wouldn't have accepted her either.
And that just shows your problems with this character is superficial and plain ridiculous
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You mean the A. Hotchner from this season who thought that letting a cadet in was good idea or that letting Garcia give a try as a liaison was a good idea, or the one who's barely been there because apparently the new description for unit chief is to let Morgan go around bossing everybody around and disappearing after 20 min?
Yes, I'm sure the character knows best then.
No, the tv guide interview said she was going to prove her value, I didn't see it though.
There's no need for her to be all Reid like because we still have Reid, what we don't have is a strong female profiler who joins the team in the field anymore, and A. Seaver hasn't fill that role for sure.
And that last statement can be proven wrong if you decide to go back 10 episodes threads each containing 400 messages as to why this character doesn't fit.
1. Yes you are horrible fans
2. No seaver don't have to go just because you say so. She is still in development and the writers will come up with some good stuff
3. Wrong again. She is not a cadet anymore and she showed experience throughout The Stranger episode she was the one that took down the unsub with her conversation if that is not experience i really don't know anymore.
4. Actually yes 10 episodes but every episode was almost about Paget seaver was in the background for all of them except 2. And there is great potential in her. You just don't see it but there is many that begin to see it now.
Carlos, huh??? As far as I know, Lisa, nor anyone else who posts her, has any decision making authority at the network, so you saying that Seaver doesn't have to go because Lisa says so makes no sense. Lisa is sharing an opinion that she believes Seaver should be let go from the show as a character based on the number of posts that have been written here and on other threads.
You say that she is an agent. She is a probabtionary agent which means that her status is not a given, it is a probabtionary status to be upgraded upon successful completion of that period. Hotch told her how she should act with the unsub when she went in there to speak with him. These was not a lighbulb moment for this character. She was instructed on how she should act and she did what she was instructed to do. Moreover, even with her soon to be newly minted stamp of agent (whenever that will be) she is still woefully unqualified for the BAU so that hardly matters in this case.
This great potential argument. Where is it? If a character has the great potential you speak of, whether another character is there or not should not cloud this potential to the point where people are still scratching their heads and some are saying that the character is useless and does not warrant being there. Prentiss has not been in various episodes, so, that really can't be used as a shield for this character, not that it should of even when she was there, but anyway. A good character is one that leaves its mark if not immediately at least certainly by now. Development is something that is done to build upon what is already there, not to try and color in something that is not there, or worse yet, mask what is not there. Also, being a fan of the show does not necessitate that one have to swallow that which is trying to be sold with this character. If one does not like this character and wishes that it not return for season 7 (add me to that list please), that has nothing to do with them being a fan of the show. There are many reasons why one is a fan of this show. For some, it is a certain character or mix of characters, for others it is the content of the show, the profiling, the unsubs, for others it is a combination of all of these things.
Anonymous said...
Well Reid didn't follow orders in a episode in season 6 aswell. And he is not new, so his mistake is even worse then seaver's mistake.
But i guess its ok for him to do it by you?
Reid may have had no backup and lost his gun, but in no way was he unarmed. Hotch knew that. Seaver OTOH would've been shot within seconds.
Carlos said...
1. Yes you are horrible fans
The vast majority of the 12 million viewers aren't "fans" of the show. They're simply people who tune in every week, add to the ratings, earn CBS moola money, and keep the show renewed. So hey, if you think that's what we are too, then that's not such a bad place to be.
What a beautiful family Joe has, minus MGG, although I am sure they consider him like family :)
Hey, if you haven't cried yet today, I suggest you go watch the video of JM's daughter interviewing him. It certainly is a wonderful reminder of what's truly important. : )
Blue Sunflower,
I wish Carlos would go away, but are you saying that the faithful viewers aren't fans? Does your definition of fans only include people who visit this site?
I hope the new JJ as described in the article is not a "Strauss-like" character. The thing that made JJ so likeable and unique was her ability to empathize with those around her, and while she was still professional and tough, she still had that "soft" edge that made her special. I hope that is not seriously messed with.
Totally agree with you about JJ, Anonymous! : )
No Hotch, no CM. Period. And you can take that to the bank. And I'm concerned about his lack of contract. If the network seriously thinks bringing AJ back makes up for a TG departure they're seriously misguided. But we already knew that. Sign our essential Unit Chief! One Hotch-less episode was bad enough (awful, in fact), don't need the loss of the team's heart.
Why are people making the tie between AJ coming back and TG not having come to a contract agreement? I think they are two distinct things that are happening for their own reasons and should not be mixed in the same bag together.
Because someone earlier was saying that CBS was bringing AJ back to throw a bone to the fans and soften the blow when TG/SM don't come back.
I think AJ's return has to do with the female side of the show, not TG or SM.
Carlos,
Gee, guy, how the heck have you been? How about Mikey,Ben and Kenneth? How is the fan club coming? If it's not up and running by now, let me just suggest to you that it MAY NEVER BE. Please speak like an adult, back up what you say and above all: THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK! and try not to get this thread shut down for the rest of us.
Everybody else: PLEASE! Do NOT jump back on this bandwagon. Talk about something else and IGNORE the RNFC for the benefit of this blog.
Thank you.
Anonymous 44
In the Stranger ep, Hotch and Rossi only said Seaver did a good job, not that she's a part of the team. Seaver has no value and she may have had a serial killer for a father, but over the past 10 eps, she has proven that she has no unique perspective on it. She was never a victim of her father,and she was raised in an ideal way by almost all accounts. She's just your average, everyday girl. Not profiler material. Everything she's done has been with either Rossi or Hotch or Morgon basically feeding her information.
Seaver was tolerable in Stranger becuase she wasn't annoying in that ep, and without Emily, Seaver has had 3 eps to prove herself without any of Emily's storyline getting in the way.
Dont call us haters or horrible fans.
Thanks
She hasn't used her unique perspective to help catch unsubs, but she was able to use it to console the step-mother who felt guilty about raising a sociopath.
JJ is coming back so she'll have that covered.
Unique perspective??? She basically told her stuff about why the step- son may be the way he is; they have all done that at some point and they didn't require having a psychotic father to do so.
This unique perspective thing is as credible as the bridge I'd like to sell people located somewhere in Brooklyn. It is a tired angle they have stretched beyond anymore stretching.
I love that Matthew is in the picture with the Mantegna family.
Could it be that he had become interested enough in autism after his research to play Dr. Reid, that when he met JM he chose this to be a cause he could get behind? I would think so from the timing and is it not ironic after all our talk about autism earlier this month.
Worth seeing and I hope you all do - better than b----ing here. Those of you being kind and positive have prob'ly already gone to check it out...
Be sure and watch this
Blue Sunflower!
Somehow, I missed it completely--that is, I did not realize MGG was in the photo with the Mantengas. My eyes must be bad, even with glasses.
In "what Happens at Home" Hotch told Prentiss and Morgan, in private, that it's a LONG SHOT Seaver'd spot anything useful... turns out he's right!
I guess that 'insight' along with 'fresh eyes' was one-time excuse so it's not been refered to again..... After all, I'm sure serial killers are not born of the same 'blueprint', and she only knows ONE serial killer!
Hope this comes out the right way -- the piece about Joe's Autism Awareness Month interview with Mia Mantegna shows both what she has to overcome and that she mostly overcomes it. The interview itself is a lovely moving thing. Whoever came up with the idea of having the daughter question the dad, clever person. But what a lucky couple the Mantegnas are to have two such beautiful and talented daughters. No wonder it was a proud moment for Joe. I love her smile when she hears him say that.
UK viewer
Such a lovely video of Joe and his daughter. I so hope that a link to the interview of Gia interviewing Joe is provided.
Mia is so talented, as is Gia. It is wonderful that they showcased all of the things that Mia has accomplished and is still accomplishing. I am sure that she will continue to be successful and am thankful that she was given that platform. They are a lovely family.
It can't be normal to feel this hearsick about the hiatus...no new CM, so much newsflow, speculation, panic. How will i survive?
But i also take this opportunity to thank everyone on the greatest show on earth for their hard work, generosity, resilience and, most of all, what they give us fans week in week out. Oh i'm going to miss you all (sniffle, sniffle, sob), but wish you all happy hols and hope to see you in S7.
Mr. Mantegna: You have a lovely family. No wonder you are such a proud papa and husband! Blessings on you all.
Thank you to the entire cast and crew for your hard work. I hope you all have a great hiatus and come back refreshed for S7. : )
Gubegirl,
I might have just missed it on your list but did you have Sympathy For The Devil by the Rolling Stones (the Neptunes Remix is the one on the show) on it?
Also did you say at some point that we could suggest songs to be used for the future? If Hotch and/or Reid are heading for a mental breakdown I might have one. Come Undone by Jackson Waters would be a good fit if that were to happen.
sf81387 said: "Personally, I haven't noticed that Hotch has been shoved into the background or that he's been shown to be out of character or whatever else the gripes have been about him."
Many fans have noticed that Hotch has not only been inconsistently written this season, but also not present at all, as in the episode 25 to Life. And when asked, TG said he was surprised by Hotch’s limited presence this season. I am more inclined to accept TG’s own perspective and the fact that Hotch has in fact been less visible (short of counting lines in each script) as viable evidence that his role has been reduced in Season 6; at least thus far.
sf81387 said: "The Hotchalanche he delivered on Seaver was plenty harsh. What was he supposed to do? Slap her around a bit? She was a cadet that he dragged out of the academy to help out with a case. IMO, his reaction to what she did was fueled more by fear over what could've happened her than any kind of real anger. He let her know she screwed up and that he wouldn't tolerate any future screw-ups of that magnitude. Was he supposed to be so verbally abusive that it destroyed her when it was partially his fault for bringing someone that green into the thick of things?"
I agree that Hotch was angry with Seaver because she put her life at risk. However, her actions also risked the lives of others who had to maneuver to save her rather than just trying to capture the unsub. His “Hotchalanche” was sufficient; but his follow-up actions were totally out of character. For Hotch to agree to allow an inexperienced cadet who disobeyed a direct order and risked her life and the lives of her team members for a nonsensical reason as the need to apologize for her daddy’s atrocities, was ridiculous and unacceptable. She should not only have been sent back to the academy for retraining; Hotch probably should have suggested to her academy supervisor that she should undergo some type of psych evaluation. Seaver obviously was harboring some type of guilt complex that needed to be addressed and resolved before she was allowed into the field again. The writers undermined the character from the beginning; so her presence on the team became illogical and undermined the team’s and Hotch’s credibility.
sf81387 said: "My biggest gripe with Season 6 (and I don't really have many) is that they spent too much time exiting two characters and they lost their focus in the process. It was all very distracting. JJ should've just been gone. We didn't need all the silliness that followed with Garcia. I've made my feelings pretty clear about that horrific Prentiss arc so I won't go there again."
CM spent exactly 1.5 episodes exiting AJ Cook; and the Paget’s arc was given significant play in three episodes, and brief mentions in 3 others. There are 24 episodes in season 6 leaving the writers with far more opportunities to provide compelling storytelling, especially since they had set up the season to be one of secrets; which proved to be the greater distraction because they had no real idea how to play that out.
I would venture that the real distraction was trying to not only figure out what the secrets would be, but how to manage them during the course of the season. The only real secret was the one developed for Prentiss on the fly. All of the others have been somewhat underwhelming. Rick Dunkle said in his chat that Hotch’s secret is going to be “huge.” So it must be more than that he knows Prentiss is alive, because we already know that; and they have 3 episodes remaining to divulge something substantial.
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The other major distraction was the introduction of a new character in the midst of simmering hostilities over how the existing characters were removed. The producers/writers miscalculated/mismanaged not only the stagecraft for the Seaver character, but the timing as well. The character was not only illogically written; she also was incorporated too soon. The ill-feelings about what happened to AJ and Paget were still simmering as the character was introduced. Maybe if Seaver had been written into the season finale (like the reentry of JJ), the audience would have reacted differently and would have had the hiatus to adjust to meeting a new character in Season 7. But she was hurriedly thrown in the mix; poorly written and negatively received.
Until we got to Paget’s arc after half the season was gone, the writers had Prentiss doing very little except following Morgan around. I am happy they finally gave her something to do that was suspenseful, intriguing and consequential, even if I had problems with some of the scripting for the character. And as far as AJ is concerned, JJ was given a strong scene in the season premiere and by the second episode, she was gone. The fact that the writers couldn’t find their footing for at least 18 or so episodes cannot be blamed on the little attention JJ and Prentiss received this season. There were a few good episodes this season, but for the most part; season 6 is forgettable, which cannot be blamed on the little attention JJ and Prentiss received.
But I guess if the chaotic things hadn’t happened as they did in Season 6, we would have AJ back and Paget being welcomed back with opened arms.
I am more inclined to accept TG’s own perspective and the fact that Hotch has in fact been less visible (short of counting lines in each script) as viable evidence that his role has been reduced in Season 6; at least thus far.
I don't need "viable evidence" in order to come to grips with how I feel about things and honestly I've been fine with Hotch this season. But hey if TG feels as though he's been short-changed perhaps he should consider opening his mouth because realistically, he's the only one who can make a difference as far as his character's screen time and behavior goes.
I won't address the Seaver points because oh good god they've been addressed to death and I can't think of anything I care less about than Ashley Seaver. I'll just agree to disagree with you.
But I guess if the chaotic things hadn’t happened as they did in Season 6, we would have AJ back and Paget being welcomed back with opened arms.
Both of which will be a lame consolation prize if TG and SM don't come back. I wasn't all that affected that they left and while I'm happy to have JJ back if for no other reason than for them to stop having Garcia presenting the cases (that is so awful, I can't believe they continue to do it), I'm not sure how it would be having Prentiss back after all they did to her character. We'll see I guess.
sdwally, appreciate all your comments. I think, for me, that the real distraction of season 6 has been the loss of two great, capable characters and having the weakest link shoved at us from all angles. It's dumbed-down the show and dragged down the personalities of the other cast members.
I hope that, per Dunkle, if the secrets are 'huge' they're bigger than the one promised to showcase Mary Sue's talents...what a farce that was.
Suffice it to say that if S7 is anything at all like S6, it will be the last. I know I won't watch if they keep Seaver and I've watched from the beginning. I've skipped the last two epis because it's just too distracting to have to 'put up with' something that should never have been in the first place.
Some posters have said how foolish it is to not watch a show anymore due to disliking one character. Well, if that one character (that I can't STAND) ruins it for me, then I have way too many other options to put up with crap TV.
And just so I can clear it up for myself - many Seaver lovers have posted how her childhood helps with her perspective on serial killers. I so totally disagree as she didn't even know her father was a killer until she was an adult. She had no clue then and she has no clue now!! If it had affected her she would have turned out something similar to the young man (and I forget seasons and titles) whose father killed children and the son, as an adult, lost it in the pharmacy. THAT was someone who had been affected and knew what it was like to live with a serial killer. Mary Sue, like I said, doesn't a have clue -
Just my opinion....
I thought you didn't care about the characters and only tuned into see the unsubs sf81387?
Yes, they did quite a number on the Prentiss character but nothing that isn't impossible to fix.
sdwally, I have nothing really to add to what you've said but agree.
I thought you didn't care about the characters and only tuned into see the unsubs sf81387?
No, I've never said that's how I feel personally, but somehow my stance that a large portion of the viewing audience is tuning in to see the case of the week seems to translate into "sf81387 doesn't care about the characters".
I've always said that I'm a Hotch fan and I've always stated that if he's gone I'm gone. I just wouldn't hang around for months bemoaning the fact that he's gone. I'd just move on. I do love this show, but it is just a television show and when it stops being enjoyable it's time to move on to something that is. Yes?
For now, I still find it enjoyable and I am looking forward to the final 3 episodes. : )
Oh, I have never seen that post about you being a Hotch fan. I only log on every now and again.
I think some people are starting to get to the point where they may just click off if things proceed the way they have been going. Most notably, for some, with the addition of the Seaver character, less showing of Hotch in the episodes, Prentiss leaving, and the contract situations with TG and SM.
Maybe for some people they love the show so much that "bemoaning" as you say is their only outlet to let out the frustration some of them feel with how the show has been going. Not everyone agrees with their position about how the show has gone, but I guess maybe it is a release for them and maybe a last ditch effort to cause some kind of change. I know I have my tipping points, Seaver being one of them, so I will wait to see what comes to pass season 7 before making any decision to tune in or tune out.
Also, agree with the Garcia presenting cases. Good Lord, that needs to stop ASAP! Happy AJ is back because maybe they will have the sense to have her doing that again. I just hope they don't alter her character too much into something that is totally unrecognizable.
Maybe for some people they love the show so much that "bemoaning" as you say is their only outlet to let out the frustration some of them feel with how the show has been going. Not everyone agrees with their position about how the show has gone, but I guess maybe it is a release for them and maybe a last ditch effort to cause some kind of change.
I get that, but it's just not my thing so you won't have to listen to me moan and groan if TG doesn't come back. Aren't you glad? ; )
Happy AJ is back because maybe they will have the sense to have her doing that again. I just hope they don't alter her character too much into something that is totally unrecognizable.
She's a leaner, meaner JJ now! LOL I guess being jettisoned to the DoD only to end up at the State Department in order to fit into the Prentiss arc made her leaner and meaner. It's kind of silly. She was lean and mean enough, but if it means she won't be trying to chase down unsubs in 4 inch heels anymore, making her even leaner and meaner could work. ; )
I am really excited to see what the new JJ will be like. In her few scenes in Lauren, she was so serious, mature, confident and business like. I think she'll come back a bit colder but still likeable and with a vampier wardrobe it seems. very excited for JJ's return and cant wait for season 7!
ANd I'm keeping my fingers crossed for Thomas Gibson and Shemar Moore as well!
Writers, make her even more badass than before! More momnets with Hotch too!
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